Racist comments to CH

Sorry folks, my intentions regarding this racist nonsense were heartfelt, but I stupidly got involved beyond that. I never learn, despite my wife's protestations.

Probably enjoying my wine too much. I'm out of here, here's to a great season.

 

Come on, guys, neither of you should be talking about leaving. Why has this forum become so fractious? Is Beefy right about it being a side-effect of becoming a PL team? If we go on like this, we'll have nobody left on the forum.

 

Jeez, the Ipswich lot have it right, we really don't need any help turning against ourselves. How did a thread that started with everyone in universal condemnation of something end in us potentially losing two members a dozen posts later?

At this rate we're going to secure 10th place in the league come May and have nobody here to celebrate with.

 

OK, first off, race isn't about "just skin colour", and that's patently obvious to anyone with a brain in their head. I know a lot of people like to say that we're all just differently coloured members of The Human Race, and then go back to partaking in the communal masturbation that occurs when talking about how fantastic multicultural Britain is, but that's wrong. White people differ from Persian people. Both differ from Australian Aborigines, Amerindians and Chinamen. They all differ from black people (i.e. Africans). They differ genetically, culturally and behaviourally. It is not racist - or at least not racist in the pejorative sense - to aim legitimate criticism at certain groups of people, even if, in doing so, you ascribe a characteristic to a set of people amounting to 100m, a billion or more. Clearly not all people of a particular race will behave identically, but certain traits exist in each race, on average, more than in others.

Second, you mention "hearing references to terms such as coloured" - it's hardly as if people are donning white hoodies and lynching random blacks, is it. When people use that old cliche, 'political correctness gone mad', that's the kind of thing they're talking about. I've never met a non-white person who found it offensive. In fact, I've just scrolled down and seen another poster talking about his [black?] wife being a "coloured person". Why is it always white people like you who think they talk for everyone, including non-whites...?

Finally, racism is a non-issue in football. The figures for the 2011/2012 season show there were 23 arrests for 'racist or indecent chanting'. That amounts to roughly one arrest for every 1,300,000 people who attended games that season, across the Prem, Football League and [I think] the Conference. You'll be telling me next that you think the Rooney Rule is a good idea

 

Genuinely sorry if I've offended you Erik, my post wasn't intended as a comment on race or really the country as a whole more about that people experience of other races in Norfolk is quite limited. I described the term "coloured people" as old fashioned not malicious and was a comment on norfolk's adolescence especially when it comes to these debates.
Of course ethnicity and culture goes deeper than skin colour but outwardly, for example when sitting on a bus, to use Carrabuh's example, it is the only factor people are using to form an opinion, and using that to say I won't sit next to a person is racist. Unaggressively and potentially even subconscious but it does say so etching about people.
I do agree with the points you made and was rather disappointed that you felt the need to level that strong an argument against me. I also really don't pretend to speak "for all white people" in the slightest.

 

My mother, who would be in her 90s now if she were still alive, always used the term 'coloured'. In her day it was the polite word to use rather than the alternatives available.

 

Three or four years ago I was the same as you (and I'm only 23).

Is it really racist to say that you feel disconnected from your national team because so many players are black? Maybe, but I feel like that, and frankly I don't care what people think. I've watched the U-21s in the past few years and seen England sides with 6, 7, 8+ black players, and thought, "what the **** has happened here?". Look at Mo Farah - he's black, he was born in Ethiopia, and his parents are Ethiopian, but anyone who dares say he's not really British gets slaughtered. Some people think of being 'English' or 'British' as simply happening to be born on land under the control of the English or British government, or come out with such crap as "well as long as he feels British..." It works both ways though: look at that Chris Birchall bloke who played for Trinidad and Tobago. He's blonde, white, was born and raised in Staffordshire and his parents are English, but because his mum happened to be born in Trinidad, he played against England in the 2006 World Cup. What bollocks. I belong to the group who think of people ethnically. Why is there anything wrong with that?

If I were to ask you to describe the German people, you wouldn't say, "oh, they're such a multicultural society; there are black Germans and Turkish Germans and white Germans". You'd probably say they're blonde haired and good at penalties. So why is it different for your own country? Why the need to insist that the Labour party's social engineering is one of the world's Good Things? Why beat about the bush and avoid giving your opinions on people? I've always found that Sikhs and Hindus slot perfectly into British society, but that areas with large black or Muslim populations are 'no-goes'. I've met far fewer black people than most, on account of my location, and yet they've all seemed to fit the stereotypes: I've been randomly violently assaulted by blacks (ABH in the middle of the street) for no reason other than being white; I've an old black schoolmate who's served time for dealing crack; I've a female friend whose kid is mixed and whose dad has ****ed off to London and contributes nothing towards her. Then when you add to that the government's own statistics about how much more likely black males are to rob, thieve, burgle, rape, murder... Is it any wonder people don't want to sit next to them on the bus or generally have anything to do with them? I understand that individuals are different, but I'm a human being. In the back of my mind, I'm making assumptions about people I see out of the corner of my eye. So if I see a couple of black guys walking towards me one night, I'm going to cross the road. It's only natural.

 

As long as you acknowledge that black people are disproportionately the victims of crime as well as the perpetrators.

Personally I don't think crime has anything at all to do with race (which is a very flawed concept anyway), although I'd accept that it may have something to do with culture. But the biggest factor of all seems to be poverty, and particularly poverty in a society where there are massive divides between rich and poor and this division is highly visible.

I know that might make me sound like a bleeding heart liberal, but it doesn't necessarily follow. Just because the evidence suggests that poverty is the main determining factor doesn't necessarily justify tolerant laws against crime. It does suggest, though, that tackling poverty may be the best way to lower crime rates over the long run.

 

I know non-white people who find the term 'coloured' offensive.

 

Unless you know what software to use... *cough* Tor *cough*

 

Genuine question..... is it racist to call a black man a cheeky monkey? is it racist to call a white man a cheeky monkey?

 

Growing up in Suffolk in the 50's I don't think I saw a non-white person at all.So racism wasn't an issue.The only place we ever saw black people was in our school geography books,probably picking tea in "Ceylon". when it did become an issue it was quite confusing.My Uncle,who was a genuinely nice chap who worked as a nurse at Frenchay hospital Bristol used to come on holiday and sometimes talked about his friends,a couple of whom were "darkies".He used the expression in a context that left no doubt that these were people that he held genuine affection for.He used to drink with them and go to race meetings,which was his passion.

In the early eighties when I ran a garage I employed an old Norfolk jostler who washed my cars.One day he complained to me that the mechanic had been rude to a customer.He finished his moan with "But I will admit he was a N****r". The point is,both these people were clearly racist in their manner of speech but neither had even the slightest antipathy towards the subject.I don't suggest that the writer of this attack on Hughton falls into that category but I think it's irrelevant that it's Ipswich.He's just lucky that the Daily Mail have not discovered that he is a Socialist or they would be slagging off his dad.

 

My heart sunk when I heard about this.

Whoever made this comment is clearly a massive tw@t and not representative of the vast majority of all football fans. Chris Hughton seems like one of the nicest men in football (I actually have a soft spot for him) and nobody deserves this kind I vile abuse.

The police can easily track which computer the comment was made on and since it was made on Facebook they will have no problem finding him. Maybe having the police turn up on his door will make him consider his actions for once.

I’ve not come across any racist abuse when I used to go to Portman Road regularly but there was a bloke in the Churchman’s / Green King stand (no idea if he’s still there) who kept referring to the opposite team as “Fudgepackers". I was too young to understand what it meant at the time but if I heard it now I’d have no problem reporting him to the stewards for homophobic abuse.

 

gandy, don't be daft and let a little disagreement make you leave! your humour will be greatly missed.

 

Every club has it's idiots bor. As damnable as the comment was, it is not a reflection on Ipswich Town fans as a whole.

 

I call my son cheeky monkey all the time! He is white.

I just see monkeys as being mischievous and all over the place, nothing to do with skin color or anything?

You have to be so careful these days as I wouldn't have a clue and might offend someone! Seems that things can be taken out of context sometimes.

 

Tell them to grow a pair and accept that, no matter how much they want to be, they will never be the true victims of racism. It's big business for certain people to make black and brown people victims, as we see in football each year with the deplorable Kick It Out campaign

And there you have it, people; everything that's wrong with modern Britain.

You're a sad little man, CH.

 

There was a plot on Coronation Street recently where someone white had used the phrase, "Play the white man," and a black character had been offended, but that particular phrase was never intended to have any racial meaning but is in fact an age old concept that "White" is good and "Black" is evil, but people can twist it to suit their purpose!

 

I, like every other poster on here, deplore racist abuse in all it's forms and I hope that this one particular idiot will be found and dealt with. All football clubs have their share of idiot fans and our club is no exception. What I will say is that this does not reflect the views of all Ipswich fans!

A genuine question I would like to ask though is that in this age of multi-culturism and so called 'colour blindess', why is it acceptable to have organisations called 'The Black Police Officers' association for example? Why should skin colour even be used to define a particular organisation or group in this way? Is this not an example of why multi-culturalism in this country is just a myth? There would be a huge public outcry if there ever was to be a 'White Police Officers' Association and quite rightly so!

How will we ever be able to fully integrate as a society?

 

I can tell Erik is going to go down a storm on here.