Its been mentioned and discussed before. Should England have B teams like Spanish teams do? B teams are a separate team connected to a senior team that is made up of younger players from their youth system who are getting close to senior squad age but need experience to make the step up. B teams give clubs a chance to give youngsters experience of playing competitive football full time in the style of the club they are from with the players who would hopefully be there future senior team mates in the A team at an easier to handle level. B teams could really help improve youth development in this country. Boosting British football talent, saving clubs money and promote a more sustainable future. Ticket sales could also aid a clubs revenue in take. It could also make the England team stronger. Look at the all conquering Spain! - But there is a counter argument. It is feared that B teams could just make the strong teams stronger and lower teams weaker, as they will be able to invest more in to this scheme and gain much bigger benefits. Look at Spain. Its Real v Barca featuring the rest. Boring! - Another option is lower league feeder clubs. Big clubs attaching to lower league clubs and loaning them youth. This will give the loaned youth valuable experience, and keep the players together with their team mates, but will involve them leaving home temporarily and possibly playing a different style. It could aid the lower clubs big time financially, allowing them to invest better and become stronger. Making English football even more competitive. Win win?
"It could aid the lower clubs big time financially, allowing them to invest better and become stronger. Making English football even more competitive. Win win?" if that was the case then i would be all for it as we need to do as much as possible to help the lower struggling clubs. if it would be just a case of City and Chelsea buying all the ****ing talent so no one else could, then no.
I think B teams are pretty patronising tbh, the lower league teams are trying to be competitive and it's hard to do that when there is a reserve team slapped in their league who's sole aim is to improve talent, rather than win things (B Teams can't be promoted or relegated). I think it makes a mockery of the lower leagues, but then again La Liga is a bit of a joke too.
Am i right in believing these B teams cant get promoted but can be relegated? Would you propose the same for England? Would have to be that wouldnt it I know Rafa and Mourinhio have said we should have it before
I can understand the arguments against it - patronising and demeaning to other clubs in the leagues. However, if the national team and it's youth want to improve, then B teams are the way forward. Unfortunately, they will only benefit the national team and the big clubs. The reason I'm for it instead of loaning players is because if you loan youth to other clubs, they then have to adapt to a new style of play, new surroundings etc etc. You could loan a player to a club with similar philosophies but there will still be small differences. By keeping the players at your own club (or B club), you're still ensuring that the player is playing in the same environment, in the same system, with the same players. Having all of this, combined with real competitive football is more likely to yield better results IMO. And the B teams will be full of young players. Having more young players playing more competitive football is only a good thing.
Introducing B-Teams at the expense of the lower league clubs would rip out the sole of the English game. Despite it being beneficial to the club I support and love, there is nothing that would convince me that this would be a good move. I wouldn't even like teams to join forces; eg Liverpool and Mansfield working together with the latter effectively being the formers B-Team
They can be both Relegated and Promoted. However they can not be in the same league as the senior team. For example Barca B can be promoted to LIGA Adelante, however if they were to win that they could not be promoted to La Liga because the Barcelona senior team are in that league. On the other side, if Barca were ever to be relegated (granted this is extremely unlikely) Barca B would have to be demoted from Adelante no matter where they finished the previous year.
What is everyone more worried about the club? The feelings of the other clubs? This B team system is another way to develop youngsters and not let any slip through the cracks and in the long run would help with your national team as well. I am for it, in term of LFC, as right now LA, Ibe, Sterling, Yesil, etc would all be getting some serious minutes in tough leagues to get better.
Remember when DIC were planning on buying us? They were talking about buying us... and Tranmere Rovers... with the intention of them being a b team. (They were talking about renovating huge swarves of merseyside too at one point) ...not sure how they planned to do that legally. The Tranmere fans weren't happy if I recall! Still... an interesting chapter in our history that never happened... perhaps would have been more fun if they made Everton our b team. As for b teams... no... not fair on the smaller community clubs in the league. I'm all for plans to make reserve teams more competative and improve marketability of them, etc... but not at the expense of smaller clubs that already struggle.
Here is the thing though, they would probably be in the championship right? Hardly small teams and those players are the 4th highest paid in the world! IF you were talking about league 1 and down I could understand that as those can be mom and pop type clubs but the championship? Watford? Leeds? Forest? Derby? Blackburn, etc. Not really small teams.
I would be all for b teams and I think it should have been brought in years ago, I really couldn't give a toss about the English national team or any lower league teams, if it is going to improve our youngsters then I would be happy with it.
in short this is vital for the future of english football. why? 1. it will put coaches who are potentially british in charge in league clubs scenario with a route to the big job. e.g. a coach on the way up like inglethorpe is now a manager in his own right in league one and then clubs can look at him as a propsect. not the same as running a club on finances though.. england benefits. 2. It would be an extra 19 home games that would get 10-15k crowds and generate more money. 3. smaller clubs can get big crowds in for away games. 4. young players get more experience at a far higher level. 5. frankly lower league teams have gone to the wall enough and we've seen top work being done at clubs like afc wimbledon and many others who when the get to the league do well. I fancy they will continue and frankly badly run clubs just drop out.... there are too many clubs now anyway. 6. it might allow for a regional lower league split like the old days..... 7. england gets better players through... if zaha, chamberlain, walcot et al are not an advert to what a club can do odwn there then it makes sense. 8. it will not actually block promotion for sides will it? not when it balances out and we see the top clubs in the championship and the rest in their respective leagues surviving. 9. top clubs will have to pay more to lower clubs to enable it... a bribe if you will but it will spread the cash out from tv.
If you do it right you can have both though. Think about Ibe, Sterling, Coady, Wisdom, Kelly, etc just with us and then you have at United with their youngsters, Arsenal with theirs, Tottenham even have a few good ones ( Tom Carroll comes to mind). There is actually a lot of talk about this over here with the MLS and USL and if the feeder system is working or are they too apart.
Exactly. You only care about Liverpool Football Club and you do it from afar (no offence intended but its kind of my point). It would destroy the heart and sole of the game by condemning the lower leagues clubs to non-league football. Some smaller Towns throughout the country depend on their local team, they are part of the community so its not just football, it also effects life. I obviously care more about Liverpool than other clubs etc but it is about the bigger picture.
Which bigger picture though? IF, big IF mind you, the FA use these B teams and maybe say you need to have a certain amount of English quota, that could enhance the English National team which right now is not in the right frame. You can't deny that Barca B and Barca have played a massive hand, almost single handedly, in getting that Spain side to the way it is ( Can't really use Real as they don't use the Castilla in the same way as they buy buy buy). Two sides to look at, if you take away the me from afar and only caring about LFC, having the B-teams ( also have to look at how many teams could have it? We talking a few or like the top 8? That could be alot) would enhance the future of your national team. Feeder teams could work in the same way really but it never really works out that way.
But it wouldn't be two sides in England, there would be seven or eight wanting to do it. There is nothing stopping sides having a partnership agreement, we used to have one with Crewe!
That would be the problem with it is how many sides would want it but you can't deny the effects it could have for the club and the national team ( again if you do it right). If not the B team then the feeder team needs to be used ( maybe look to span with a side in the lower leagues, maybe a side in Norway/scandanavia, Italy/Spain/Germany?)
