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o/t Teachers' strike

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  1. captain caveman

    captain caveman Well-Known Member

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    What strikes me as odd is how you, being one of the most outspoken critics of people who didn't stick up for themselves re: name change and bubble matches, are having a pop at people sticking up for themselves!
     
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  2. SiK

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    I served in the armed forces for 12 years, including over a year of my life in Iraq or Afghanistan. I qualified as a teacher this year and started teaching four weeks ago; I have never been as mentally or physically exhausted as I am now and my wages are a third of what I was on in the forces.

    However, I did not strike as it is not in my nature instilled in me by the military. Though it does amaze me the number if people who criticise and demean teachers, but fail to appreciate that they are the ones who are going to give their children the chance of good qualifications and good jobs. Pay teachers less, get worse teachers, get worse attainment for all. My kids are school age and I want the best, most motivated people possible to teach and inspire them, not whoever we can get on a meagre budget.
     
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  3. Stuart Blampey

    Stuart Blampey Well-Known Member

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    Hairy muff, but playing the violin to a put-upon British public won't win the argument for them.
     
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  4. Amin Yapusi

    Amin Yapusi Well-Known Member

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    Teachers should try being nursery/pre school workers, a far far tougher job physically and mentally and a good wage in that doesn't even make half of a teachers gold played package. They're lucky to get 15k. Go spend a few years doing that then moan about having to pin things up or crouch over tables for 33k a year and a fat pension.

    No one says teachings easy but its hardly slavery. There's far tougher jobs out there paying far less and those people get on with it. Home care for the oldies being one, a far tougher job where you don't have to face down go by 15 year olds but these women are on call for 18 hours of the day where they have to go solo into some old widowed mans house with dementure who despite his condition, is far stronger than the carer, and could likely try and rape his care worker or mistake her for a burglar and attack.

    Teachings not easy, but not many jobs are, and teachers get a proper tidy packet for their troubles that other people can only dream about. Time to get more in line with the rest of the world. Reality check teachers, get a ****ing grip.
     
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  5. Cortez91

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    Out of interest, what is your occupation?
     
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  6. Leon T Trout AFC

    Leon T Trout AFC Well-Known Member

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    Bit unfair that mate, using facts and direct real life experiences to back up your point of view.
     
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  7. Amin Yapusi

    Amin Yapusi Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone's not appreciating teachers guiding up our legacies, but a good teacher will be a good teacher whether they get paid 15% less, have to work 3 years longer or not. If they're not going to motivate themselves to do their job to their fullest ability then no I don't want them anywhere near my kids.

    If we were talking about them being on 15k a year and having to work til they're 75 there may be a point, but they are far from hard done by as it is.
     
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  8. Stuart Blampey

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    Not being funny but maybe SiK was far more suited to life in the Forces than as a teacher, just as many teachers couldn't hack being in the Forces. Horses for courses.
     
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  9. Cortez91

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    What about those who could potentially be good teachers? If they see going into another profession is going to pay them more, the standards of teachers will decrease.
     
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  10. Leon T Trout AFC

    Leon T Trout AFC Well-Known Member

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    True.

    I'm probably old fashioned, but I believe in better standards for all - especially the hard working.

    I believe in fairness in a world of 'no chance'.

    The great British public don't give a ****. They're satiated fat **** victims of popular progress. I expect nothing from them except the ill informed sniping we've seen on this thread. Or the Tax Payers Alliance style mantras that Bum Chinned Crab thinks he thought out (despite hearing that same thing as a soundbite around a 100 times on varying brows of news all week leading upto the strike.)

    The sad thing is, who is going to suffer from ****ter conditions for teachers? Ultimately, children. Ultimately, this country.

    But by then, I'm sure they'll be even more fat ****s, satiated, sniping at some poor homodriod on X Factor instead.

    The country lost its fight years ago.

    Who fights now? Who stands up? ...............
     
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  11. Leon T Trout AFC

    Leon T Trout AFC Well-Known Member

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    Maybe so. But the great British public seem to think any **** can teach.
     
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  12. captain caveman

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    There is nothing more dangerous to the ruling elite than an educated population. Every aspect of popular culture is gradually being dumbed down.
     
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  13. captain caveman

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    And they're right, but considering the state of their offspring when they enter my classroom, they choose not to.
     
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  14. SiK

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    Fair comment, based on your remarkable depth of knowledge on me! :)
    However, I passed my PGCE with a high grade and my new employers are very happy with me so far, thanks very much. I am also enjoying the job which is why I started it, I could have gone for a range of other careers. As I said, I did not strike and think teachers would be better served trying to get public opinion on their side, which is when the government might actually start to take some notice.
     
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  15. NorthFerribyTiger

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    My sister went into teaching later in life (her early 30's) and came away with both her teaching qualification and her earlier 1st class honours degree in languages.

    She went into teaching as she wanted to make a difference, after all without teachers we wouldn't have Police, Firemen, Ambulance men, Physicists, Politicians etc as all of these (well except Politicians) require an education & people forget that.

    She currently leaves home at just after 7am & on a normal day without any after school activities, staff meetings etc she gets home around 6pm, she then has to make herself a meal before sitting down to another couple of hours marking work, so that's about 13 hours a day. She gets around 20 minutes for lunch during a day as the kids don't look after themselves at lunch or break times.

    Most weekends she spends 3-4 hours a day marking work & planning the next weeks lessons before it all starts over again. She lives alone as she's yet to find a bloke who is willing to rarely see his girlfriend (let alone wife) During all but the summer holidays she spends another 2-3 hours a day marking & preparing for the next term. During the 6 week summer break she actually does get about 3 weeks when she can actually take a holiday, and just like the kids these are at the most expensive time of the year.

    When she is ill she still has to go into work as there are simply not enough staff these days to cover her lessons.

    How many people would actually do a 73 hour a week job where you actually only really manage to get 3 weeks holiday a year & during which you have to deal with the kids that many parents have never taught discipline or respect & that's an effort for someone in their 30's so imagine it in your late 60's.

    I know I for one wouldn't do that job for £100k a year, but then again this isn't really about wages it's about the government trying to get first class teaching from people who they clearly do not value
     
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  16. Amin Yapusi

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    This is based off the few teachers I know/have known well also including family members and friends who are currently teachers. But they all have gone into teaching purely because they wanted to teach (both of which could have chosen different and higher paid careers instead) and those who didn't manage to make it in their first choice career and teaching was the next step down (more of them ended as teachers this way).

    I'd imagine that will still very much be the case. Those who have a passion for teaching and choose it above other things will still do so, both the examples of that which I know of teach in private schools so (I don't actually know but assume) they are paid more handsomely anyway.
     
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  17. Leon T Trout AFC

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    Agreed
     
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  18. Stuart Blampey

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    I meant some people find easy what others find almost impossible, and vice versa.....

    Striking is an outmoded, unimaginative and crude tool...and alienates the public.

    Not recommended.
     
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  19. Leon T Trout AFC

    Leon T Trout AFC Well-Known Member

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    Striking may not always work or have the desired effect but it has got people talking.

    How would you go about drawing attention to your plight?

    Discussion? Yeh, I'm sure the legions of parents would listen and talk about on the playground rather than whatever **** it is a lot of them watch/listen to.

    A strike causes disruption and no doubt it alienates people, but it raises awareness better than anythhing I can think of apart from aggressive direct action.
     
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  20. wotnoash

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    Correct, you are not being funny. Government policy is to encourage ex service personnel to go into teaching, having decimated the armed forces, making many 1000's redundant, they have to find something for highly trained and motivated people to do. Given your obvious Career Guidance skills what do you suggest?
     
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