Perhaps, we should do away with teachers needing qualifications above Level 2 (GCSE A-C). Employ any **** to do the job and pay them about 12k p.a.
33k too little, it's physically really tough carrying books, pinning things up and crouching by desks you know, not many bodies will be able to carry on pinning things up for another 3 years.
I only really dislike the fact every parent will mention that its inconvenient to look after their own kids. These are teachers not babysitters. How many parents today were proactive and sat and taught their children anything and how many just let them have a day off learning. Its youre own job not the teachers to help them achieve adulthood
Most people I know don't earn anything like as much. I'm talking Hull wages......teen thousands not thirties/ That's why playing the 'we're really hard done to' card is a major error (schoolboy error? ) Plenty of people with good experience and good quallies WORK THEIR NUTS OFF for just over half that. The public sector to some extent lead a charmed life. I know they signed up for modest wages with security and good pension, but the goalposts have moved for all of us...public and private sector. Companies are going under, laying people off, restructuring, expecting people to work unpaid to complete the job each day, going ultra lean....sooner or later the public sector has to take account of this. And punishing other workers who have to sort childcare at short notice is not the way to win the argument.
Teachers have always been out of touch and if they think they have the support of the general public who work in the real world for disruptive striking they are deluding themselves.
The standard teacher trains for four years at least at university incurring sizeable costs (which I agree they should pay for themselves). In comparison to how qualified they are, the importance of the job they do, they get paid **** all in today’s money. A trade off has been: decent holidays and a decent pension. I know people who work their arses off to mate for **** and in the public sector – this charmed life thing is just divisional bullshit bought by many. Ultimately, quality teachers simply aren’t going to be attracted to teaching as the conditions are going to be not worth it. The majority of this country just bends over and takes it up the arse time and time again. We now have a country of cowards, collaborators and ****s. And…as some **** once said, there aren’t no lions in England no more.
Disagree- I know plenty of people with great experience, training, degrees etc you name it.....compelled by economic conditions and / or personal circumstances to take what they can, where they can. It's tough out there...... I agree people should stand up for their rights and fight the power...... It's just that teachers are not that group. They are nowhere near the bottom of the pile, and even if their jobs are tougher than people suspect, they still have security, comfort and protection that many other sectors can only dream of.
Many of the comments on here, and in the media in general, show the public have little idea what teaching really involves. 14 plus hour days are common place. Working weekends are common place. Losing the first and last weeks of holidays to marking and planning are common place. If I had time I would calculate my hourly wage, and I bet its around minimum wage. If teaching is so easy, maybe some of you parents would like to volunteer to help in your local school.
A friend of mine saw something on the internet where it's something like £1.20 an hour for hours actually worked.
33k is an average that includes heads of massive comprehensives. Newly qualified teachers earn nearer 20k. Some of you heroes (usual gobshite uninformed contributors) should try educating 4 year olds who are still in nappies and whose only language is literally pointing and grunting. Deal with parents who threaten physical violence against teachers who inconvenience them by not letting the new friend , just met him in the pub, pick up their little girl at the school gates. Better still try facing down a group of 16 year old boys who are just waiting to serve their first custodial sentence, whose parents brag about smacking their old teachers. Remember you are not allowed to touch the little loves. Then be measured in terms of childrens progress against schools in leafy rural idyls. Now Mr Gove is allowing untrained non qualified people to go into teaching suggest some of you go for it and show them how its done, enjoy your pension at 68 if you get there and spend your £20 grand on 13 weeks luxury holidays. Bloody sure I won't be.
I'm sure many people here have 'challenging' roles....physical danger, health risk, extreme weather or heights, police, ambulance, chemicals, filthy conditions, etc etc and have had for years. If Gove is your bogey man, it's time to man up.
If teaching is so easy, so well paid, so cushy complete with a great **** off pension and elongated holidays; how come every **** isn't doing it?
Underpaid too, by and large. But teachers are trying to maintain their conditions and protect their jobs; not worsen the conditions of others.
