All the pro-SOD camp seem to believe the board are fully behind SOD, and what he is trying to achieve at the club. My question is, if that's the case, why have they not extended his contract yet? Surely if you lot, and the board see him as a long term project for our club, they would install more faith in him, and give him a 3 year deal? At the moment, his contract is due to end in 3 months time.
He has a rolling contract, it is something that is normal for Mr O'driscoll. Praps you should start doing some research and use facts, figures, evidence in your posts.
A 12 month rolling contract.... Which ultimately means they can let him go at any point without any financial implications... That is a fact! What do you think "Rolling" means? It means it gets renewed on a month to month basis. If they have such faith in him, give him a 3 year contract. I don't exactly understand how that needs to be explained to you? It's like to explaining to a child why 2 plus 2 equals four...
Tiger Tim. His contract is automatically renewed each twelve months until one of the parties say otherwise. Same at Forest and Doncastor. Unsure how faith enters this agreement made last season.
I think this is how he likes to work. Oddly the Board have gone up in my estimation in the last 9 months - we could not go on as we were (losing £14m a year) and so they came up with a sensible plan (5 pillars and all that) that would sort out the club once and for all. If they then sack the man trying to implement that plan, then I'm afraid I will lose all faith in them
Again, I don't see how that shows that his contract is secure or stable, i.e meaning either party could terminate the arrangement at any time with no financial implication. If he is here for the long term, then reward him with a long term contract. I don't see what his contracts at Doncaster or Forest have to do with his supposed long term revolution at Ashton Gate? If this is a club he wants to change over a long term plan that takes time (something you don't get in football, so it's already a stupid thing to suggest) you need to honour it, with a suitable long term contract. Something he does not have! I can't explain 2 plus 2 to you either, as if you cannot grasp it by now, defining the explanation of 2ism to you is a process I don't have time for.
my understanding of a 12month rolling contract is that at any point the contract is valid for the next 12 months. Therefore if either party wished to cancel they are liable to pay compensation to cover the next 12 months.
If the name on the contract is Ian Holloway a contract is worthless anyway. How long did Sean O'driscoll stay at Doncastor? Sure it was longer than twelve months. Best of both worlds.
Still doesn't answer the point of, if they see him as a long term fixture of the club, why not give him a long term contract?
He may not want a 'long term' contract, perhaps he wishes to see if the board are as good as their word too? Perhaps he wishes to see if the fans expectations are beyond reality and he would feel it impossible to deliver their demands within such a short time span?
I'll say what I said last year, I don't mind going down, I'll still buy my season ticket, but I'd want to go down with a fight, some spirit and some hope. I don't get any of those feelings with SOD. Until either he or the board commit to this relationship, the players are going to take the view that most Premier League athletes take, or Louis Carey took towards DM, which is "why should I bother trying, or even listening to you, you will be gone in a month mate"...
Rhino - it's about financial obligations as well, not just faith. Remember the Ashton Gate 8?? Long terms contracts that almost took us under. If we gave SOD a long term contract and it doesn't work out, we are still obligated to pay up the contract. It's different for players as we can sell them. Managers you cannot. As a club, we cannot afford that. None of us, as far as I know, have seen the SOD contract and as such there are likely to be incentives on a number of issues and not just results. He is in charge of a plan and a vision and it will take time to execute. This will be the Board's faith in the man. Despite our lack of success, believe me, there are many managers that would love the chance to work at Bristol City - good size club, decent facilities (although AG is on it's last legs), decent salary and ..........this is the best one....there are more managers and ex-managers than there are jobs....that one is pretty key. I think that you're trying to hype up a situation about faith and reward that simply isn't there to start with. Stability is key and if our Board have the constitution that I hope they do, they will give SOD a chance to see this thru, even despite the short term pain we fans are sitting through now. And the rolling contract means just as Raver pointed out - it rolls month to month so at anytime SOD has a guaranteed 12 month salary to look forward to. Do you have that security in your job? I know that I don't..... Support the team, support the manager and support the Board. Negativity will just fester and keep you up at night!
Not trying to hype up anything Tampa, it was just a curiosity question. I think a long term vision deserves a long term commitment and contract to reflect that vision. But that's my opinion I guess. I have a full time position at my firm, but the wife works on a 24 month contract which is far from ideal. I support the team, and to some degree the board, but have been unconvinced by the other guy. I predict when I get back from the states in a couple of months time, a lot of you will see things very different if we are still propping up 23 other teams. I don't apologise for seeing it sooner.
The rolling contract seems to be something that suits both parties, if things are going to plan, then renewed for 12 months, if not and board wants rid or manager wants out then not major compensation issues, give the manager three years and we are tied in. Don't want burnt fingers again.
I don't think there is anything sinister in having the rolling contract on either side. SoD does not jump up and down and wave his arms about, but it's obvious the players are trying to do what he is telling him - they still respect him (or in modern day lingo, he still "has the dressing room"). McInnes had passion?
We are all basically on rolling contracts in our employment. I have to give 3 months notice and the company has to pay me 3 months if they want shot of me.
First time I've looked in since my self imposed exile which I have interrupted to address this point - we've been through this a million times so I am not sure why it causes so much confusion. A rolling 12 month contract means that when you wake up in the morning, EVERY DAY, you have a brand new, shiny 12 month contract in front of you. So, until someone says stop now, it is NEVER ENDING. The day we say stop, we have to pay SoD one years money. It's not rocket science really
The voice of reason returns and answers the question. Thanks Prem, now everyone has the definitive answer.
