Although i'm not a Hughton fan, firstly and formost i support the team. Poeple who want us to loose & cheer opposition goals really do need to take a look at them-selves imo. Sundays win was good but there we're still shades of negativity, holding on to what we had rather than trying to kill the game off, which was what i'd have prefered to seen, but this week has seen two wins, one perhaps by the skin of his teeth, so lets just see how the next few games pan out.
What like the Southampton game where he scored the only goal, or the Watford game where his energy dragged us back into the game and his cross in the final seconds created the equaliser? Yup, I think (as usual) you've got it absolutely nailed on there chap
I think CH did the right thing, we didn't look like we were going to score so best protect the three much needed points. Having said that we did still try for goals, Snoddy for instance.
To be fair, Carrabuh's typical under-explanation of his own opinion (and doubtless he will not defend it, so I shall valiantly step unto the breach) has left his argument looking much weaker than it is. You're absolutely right that Redmond has had a good start to the season, and indeed a match winner, but this disguises the fact that his passing has been terrible and he has wasted opportunities in good positions. I think we could have beaten both Everton and Hull had it not been for some of the decisions that Redmond was making. Also, because of his "crowd pleaser" tricky feet, he became difficult to drop even when his performances weren't great (cue the ridiculous booing at his substitution) and I think this has made him a little greedier too. With him on the pitch there have been times where I feel we get it to him too often. I also wonder whether it's been affecting Snodgrass's performances. Redmond will, I have no doubt, be a huge success, but he is young and it is the right time for him to take the back seat for a few games. Pilks is a much better "all round" player, and that will help Redmond no end. Carrabuh, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's more or less what you mean, right? A little loquacity wouldn't go amiss... It would certainly help your case.
Originally Posted by canarie-chippy Although i'm not a Hughton fan, firstly and formost i support the team. Poeple who want us to loose & cheer opposition goals really do need to take a look at them-selves imo. Sundays win was good but there we're still shades of negativity, holding on to what we had rather than trying to kill the game off, which was what i'd have prefered to seen, but this week has seen two wins, one perhaps by the skin of his teeth, so lets just see how the next few games pan out. Overall I think his subs were about right on sunday but do still betray his generally defend or hold what we've got mind set. When a tired looking Pilks went off I thought perhaps could we have put on JM? I know there is a distinct possibility that he would be defensively green, but imagine that pace coming at you on the break. As the stoke back 4 I would have looked at Whittaker and Elmander (and Snoddy too) and thought right boys lets hug the halfway line they've got no pace. If they had been anything other than abysmal on the day that could of invited pressure on us and ultimately encouraged stoke forward to score. As i have said given the need for a win and the pressure to get a result (whether just fan or media perception or real from the board) I certaintly wouldn't conplain about the subs with Elmander in particular making sense. As for cheering for opo goals, I may not be a happy clapper, I'm not CH's biggest fan but come on that really does contradict the idea you are a fan. Bah!
Not saying we didn't try to score, but for me Hooper coming on instead of Almander would have been more of a goal threat,so a more positive approach rather than having an "out" option to launch it long?
Thought pilks warranted his starting place. The best I have seen him play in a long time. Redmond will be inconsistent this season because of his age, his decision making will also improve. I remember when Ronaldo first moved to the prem at a young age. His decision making was woeful at times, due to great management by fergie he hit his full potential. My point is that we need to develop him rather than burn him out.
NO WAY are they true Canaries fans. I, like the majority of posters on here followed the team through our dark days of League 1 etc. I went to buy a season ticket for my granddaughter just after Xmas 2010 and I had a choice of where she sat (I moved it at the end of the season, so that she was sitting next to me), yet as soon as we get promoted to the PL, there's a waiting list for season tickets!!! To quote the General - Bah!!!!
But my point was that Carrabuh suggested that "Redmond is a factor in our poor results", which is patently untrue. Just look at the facts: before yesterday we had won one game in the league - which was due to a goal from the man himself - and two in the cup, only one of which Redmond played in and in that one against Watford he was integral in our comeback and eventual victory. I understand where you're coming from, and I do agree to a certain extent with some of what you say, but my comment wasn't about his ability/profilgacy with the ball, rather the glaringly obvious stats that Carrabuh chose to ignore in order to fuel his argument. If we'd lost every game he'd played in and won all of those that he hasn't maybe he'd have a point, but the fact that even within such a small sample this isn't the case then I stand by what I said in saying that he's talking a load of unfounded rubbish
Maybe it did Rob, but as I said, I walked in to the shop in Castle Mall on Dec 27th or whatever and could have my choice of seats. Probably as we headed up the league and promotion became a reality, 'fans' decided they wanted a season ticket!!!!
I completely agree with you, though I would say that there is a case for the statement "Redmond was a factor in our poor result against Hull" and also that Redmond's performances limited us where we did succeed (though obviously there was not a poor result, just a poor performance). Actually, I was more trying to point out to Carrabuh that the way he sets out his opinion is, all too often, loose (to the point of incoherent and illogical). It means the rest of us then have to spend time unpicking what he is trying to say!
Why would we have had to have lost every game he's played in? That makes no sense at all. I think most would say the results have been poor. Redmond is a player who wants the ball early to run at defenders, this mindset has led to giving the ball away over and over again. He is guilty of the self indulgent cut in and shoot to such a degree it is wholly predictable and 95% of the time hits a scuffed effort or runs into the more densely populated centre costing a wasted attack and possession. In addition, Redmond passing ability is low, he cannot cut in and pass because he's not good enough. I think we are getting very little out of him other than people off there seats who think he is presently much better than he is. I do think he'll be a good player, just not ready to play the role Hughton wants and he'd probably find it easier and be more productive to play on the right. To cut in and pick a diagonal pass is a difficult thing to do and so he's resorting to the things he finds comfortable too often which are easy for defenders to read. The reason he has had adverse effect on the games is to do with what he's actually achieving for himself at the expense of others. We have been creating very few GOOD chances. He is given the ball far too often (and far too early) and there is little point in continually giving him the ball run up the field, give it away and everyone runs back. He's just not yet good enough for the level of responsibility Hughton has thrust on him. I'll compare him with Hoolahan, now Hoolahan is fairly slow and very one footed, but when he beats a player he always looks like he's gained a lot of time on the ball to think about what he's doing, Redmond just cannot do that yet, it's terrible to watch, headless chicken would be harsh but in essence the fault is there. In my opinion his selection has too strong an effect on the tactics and how we play, composure gets lost and when we do have a period of sustained possession he doesn't know what to do. You watch him, he will rarely make a run past a defender to receive the ball, he beats the players in the easy positions and loses it in the difficult ones. How many times can you recall him setting a chance up? Tactically we are much stronger because it gives us more and better options, we can pass it, we can include others, side to side, pass into the box, get into advanced positions. That is why I think our results would have been better. I'd bet we'll win a higher percentage of points when he's out of the side than in. Certainly based on what I've seen of him and if Hughton continued to play him as he is.
In the six games he has played in we have won two, and he has been a huge factor in both of those. I completely agree with you that he's nowhere near the finished article yet and also that his final ball leaves a lot to be desired at this fledgling stage of his career, in fact I think pretty much everyone is in agreement about both of those things and nobody has suggested anything otherwise. However I don't agree with you that he has been any more "a factor in our poor results" than anyone else has been, and I'd go as far as to say he has been more of a factor in our good results - Soton and Watford, and to a leser extent Everton where he had a good game by all accounts - than the bad ones. Can't say I'm surprised to hear you trotting all this out though to be honest. With things starting to go our way and performances markedly improving you were always going to need someone to gripe about, and with your resident punchbag Elliott Bennett sidelined I guess it was always going to be Redmond.
You could have saved yourself the trouble by just responding "yes" to my post - would have been more your style Carrabuh! I completely agree with this, though by definition he cannot be "terrible to watch" and get people off seats. The point is that him beating a player is entertaining for the crowd, but specifically flatters to deceive. Used sparingly, he will be great because his pace against tired defences will scare. His decision making and passing will definitely improve too, but people just should not see him as our solution because he makes us, currently, a worse team.
Munky, watch him and look at his actual contribution and his effect on how we play. He's too strong a magnet for the ball for the amount he actually produces, its detrimental to the team. Against Stoke the interplay between players was in more advanced and central positions. Just watch him and the positions he is with the ball, rarely is it a worked or good position. Its either cutting in and just handing the ball over or out wide doing nothing. I don't think I've ever seen him free and past the last defender, or running in on goal in space to pass. Its partly Hughtons fault , because he's not yet equipped to do that. If your going to play with a quick winger why would you constantly keep giving him the ball when he's got 3 defenders in front of him? Its nonsense, let the central midfielders control events which is what happened against Stoke, not the bloody wingers.
