We don't need to change the name to be a success on the pitch, or to attract younger fans. And if we're not a success, then what? Fans will get their backs up.
Quote Loo Rolls "You seriously think billions of people have or will have an opinion about our club?I hope you are right .We are a little team in the eyes of the world and always will be" You are correct & as you say changing our name will not alter this. So why bother? There's no reason to do it. What will alter the world's opinion of Hull City AFC is a continued period of sustained success, staying in the PL, winning trophies & being a regular in Europe. Changing the name won't change anything, but you know this already.
I apologise for what was a cheap dig Lou,but then again all is fair in love and war. Yes that's it...War,between me and you,both long term city fans(40 years me). And that's the real shame here,were meant to be comrades aren't we. That's what Assem Allam has so far achieved with his name change. Divisions in the community, are you sure you want to support that ?
It will remain a circular argument until such time as one side or the other can prove otherwise that the grass on their particular side of the fence is in fact greener. I hate to quote the mad old fella, but "time will tell."
^^^^ exactly this. As Happy pointed out earlier, there is a world of difference between people politely accepting a leaflet or badge and them actually being "converted to the cause". The anti's only real hope is therefore that the name-change fails on a technicality issue whereby the Premier League or FA block the move directly. The chances of this are slim however because as no club has done this before, there is no specific protocol to follow (or break).
A good post Obadiah and I appreciate you doing it, however all you are saying is that in your opinions is that we will loose our history and heritage, my argument is simply that no one can take away our history or heritage. Therefore the old lady that you pinned the badge on will not loose any of her memories, which I thoroughly agree with. She'll lose her identity though, which is the point she made in her own way. As it is her identity you or Assem Allam are not in a position to tell her she isn't losing it. "Assem Allam bought Hull City for £1. He lent the club £66 million (from the Look North interview) to pay off Bartlett's debts and provide the money to get us into the Premier League. As he said he's businessman not a football man. Therefore it was an investment first the consequence was saving the club" I saw that interview and nowhere di he say he bought the club for a £1 and lent us £66 million - http://www.hullcityonline.com/news/2...anscript-video ( here is the transcript of the interview and a link to the video Please tell me where you get £1 from ) The original press reports when he bought the club. From memory he paid £1 for the shares and wrote off close to £2 million Bartlett owed the club. As a businessman you'll know the difference between buying shares and loaning the club money. You don't think he paid more than a £1 for the shares do you? The club was less than worthless. I am a businessman and can assure you I would have not even looked at that deal even if I had all that money as it is suicide. Yes the club was facing serious consequences but he could have bought it for a £1 and faced a 10 point deduction - damn good business sense as all the money players bought in the previous regime would have left, except for some ( but that is another subject ) He couldn't have bought the club for £1 and faced a 10 point deduction. With no assets the only way Hull City could have gone into administration would have been if the creditors agreed it. Portsmouth's creditors agreed it because the majority were footballing creditors who were guaranteed payment in full. The Inland Revenue took the club to court over this and lost. In City's case the majority creditors were banks and the tax man and they would have received nothing if Assem Allam bought if for £1. He would have had to pay enough for the club to get the creditors to vote for it. The Inland Revenue opposed Portsmouth's bid for administration they'd have done the same with Hull City as they had already in the process of putting the club into liquidation and wanted a football club scalp. I'm sure there are plenty of sites that explain how administration works. You certainly do not know him and as to the value of the shares, they will not rise as he does not own the KC - bit like renting a council house in the boom times, house prices went up but council tenants did not see any rise. So Hull City is worth the same as Manchester City because they don't own their ground either? As a businessman you'll know that the value of a company's shares is dependent upon a number of things, freehold assets are one, but so is income, future income etc. I expect to see Assem Allam's wealth as per the Sunday Times list increase as a result of us getting promoted. It will increase even further if we stay up. Are you seriously saying having the premiership millions doesn't make us a more attractive business proposition than when he bought the club? " As I said at the beginning its not his name to change. It belongs to us it is part of our community" , like I keep saying it is his name to change as he owns the club and he has £66 million reasons to say so, he cannot take away our history or stop it being part of the community or our heritage and like I said earlier the only way to stop it is to hurt him in season sales and merchandise sales- he is a businessman after all. How many of the season pass holders are willing to do that is the burning question. Thank you for acknowledging that the AFC songs are new one Btw The City songs are not new though. Assem Allam owns the shares to Hull City Tigers Limited, yes, but needs the permission of the premier league and the football league to change the name. This may be a formality or it may not. If we persuade them not to change the name we remain Hull City AFC. So walking away from the club and not spending money isn't the only way to stop the name change. In my view the name belongs to us, yes because of his shareholding he can take it way from us legally, but in doing so he is taking something away from a part of our community. The question is how big a part. For Assem Allam the business question he faces is how many season ticket holders will he lose, how much revenue from merchandise and advertising will he lose and will it be replaced. I don't know, you don't know and more importantly he doesn't know.
This is a sack load of bollocks. Because you may have been a supporter for 48 years doesn't make you any better than others. Why will having been to Oakwell in the wind & rain give any indication to how good it will be watching Man Utd on boxing day at the KC? I'd prefer to be watching city on terraces at Oakwell myself. Barnsley isn't a local derby. It's a Yorkshire derby, but not local. Nobody has said a bit of football banter isn't fun. Why would you move to Spain to see Barcelona at the KC? That would just be silly. If you agree fully with the name change why come onto a thread which is specifically aimed at a group who don't agree with the change & are trying to coordinate action to stop it? Are you that insecure about the action group gathering pace that you feel the need to try & disrupt it? There are plenty of other threads where you have gleefully pronounced your eagerness to embrace the change. Why keep going on about it? You won't change your mind, the arguments that the club will lose its history appear beyond you. The history of Hull City AFC, the team you claim to have supported for 48 years will be there albeit the club will no longer exist. Hull Tigers, your new team will have no history whatsoever, a soulless shell of what used to be.
Kempton.I appreciate your reply.I agree we are comrades. I just think the name change is a smaller issue (and time will tell if a good idea or not) I do not think we can say AA is making us go to war. I honestly think some are slagging him off too readily. If he did get p*ssed off and decide to do one it may be catastrophic for the club. I have known very good business people do a lot of harm(and be prepared to lose a wedge of cash) when they get p*ssed off. This is why I challenge OLM and Agro to make sure they have a plan B if this ends differently to how they imagine.Without a plan B it is pretty naive to be giving it large imo
you know what I find REALLY annoying? ppl make their points but then don't read their posts through before hitting send! those red lines under words aren't just there for aesthetic reasons.
What I find annoying is people who don't know the difference between "lose" & "loose". For some reason it really pisses me off.
out of interest - and this is related in someways to Papa and Hull City Council - just been reading in the Observor that Napoli's president has said that he will take the club away from the city (building a new stadium 30 miles away in Caserta) unless the local mayor agrees to him by tuesday how much the city wants for the council-owned stadium.
Oh I'm not dismissing everything you say. I also know why you post what you post in the way you post it. I'm not some gullible fool though, that just swallows and reacts to everything presented to him, and on the odd occasion, there's definitely some posts I've made just to give another view point, or to challenge, to get some discussion going but I don't post just to wind you or anyone else up. It's sometimes hard to tell if you're posting something from you, or from twitter/other fan sites/other sources as you almost never quote a source, so I generally assume its from one of those and not your own. Possibly bad on my behalf but I can't take all the blame for that. I happily acknowledge that the majority of the stuff you post, regardless of its source, I do find incredibly helpful or interesting. The Barmby stuff still makes me laugh tbh. We never have seen "his side of the story", seen "the record set straight", and I think we'll always just have to agree to disagree on Nick B. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, we're pretty similar you and I, neither of us suffer fools gladly, we're both quite opinionated, we've both been around for a long time and have supported the club through thick and thin, proud of where we came from but equally proud of what we've achieved and given our kids and most of all, both care a helluva lot for our club.
^^^this is my argument in a nutshell. the older fans may argue that the newer fans are fickle................. what do you call the old fans that would leave over a namechange?
