Has Jose defended Torres for this? I know he's defended him for the red card incident but they aren't the same incident and 2 wrongs don't make a right do they son? And well done to Vertoghen for grabbing at his face so it looked far worse than it was so the ref would think it was worse than it was.
He's said he shouldn't be banned and that Vertonghen should be instead. To complain about the second booking when the first should be a red is stupid and to say he shouldn't be banned when he's gouged a player is embarrassing. We all know why he's tried to draw all the attention to that incident rather than the first though and it seems to be working, the second booking is now the focus of the media's reporting.
well done Peter Smichael,for saying the media are'nt talking about the face clawing,and if Saurez had done it it would be all over the papers.he said the offence was just as bad as the biting incident ,and Torres should have gone for that,following on,Saurez got a six game ban,he was on notice,so Torres should get at least 3
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As I said earlier, it's typical Mourinho and it's straight from the Ferguson playbook. Failed to win a game? Players misbehaving? Make yourself the focus of the media or criticise one of the opposing players or their team heavily. The media in this country lap it up, as they're too lazy to write their own stories. Half of the Spanish media love Barca too much to buy it, so they crucified him and pointed out his dodgy behaviour, instead.
I must say that I didn't see the game until the MoTD highlights but I picked up a lot of it and particularly the Moanrinyo's reaction. Having seen the incidents now I really can't see what he is going on about, I thought he was describing the sort of theatrics by Verts that he must have been used to in Spain, where there does seem to be some kind of 'skill' in trying to the opposition players sent off. It was nothing like that, and it is concerning (as has been said) that because of the media fawning over him that it is this the later incident getting all the attention. Verts almost has a case of slander against him I would think! I also echo what was said that if Suarez had grabbed another player's face like that he would have got a 10 match ban. But of course with their mad 'no additional punishment' rule when the ref has seen it, that no further action will be taken. Again.
The ref didn't see it, Vim. Torres was booked for his trip on Vertonghen that lead up to the incident, which was just one of his many unnecessary digs at our defenders, especially the Belgian. The only reasons that Torres may escape punishment are either officials glossing over things (Rooney v Wigan) or the media's focus on Mourinho's bullshit.
Spurs v Chelsea diving incident: [video=youtube;YOV9wul0EEU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOV9wul0EEU[/video] Well, ex-Spurs v Chelsea loanee, anyway! That's one of the most shameful examples of feigning injury I've ever seen, so I assume Courtios' Chelsea career will be over before it's started, given Mourinho's stance.
I am so pleased AVB has said perfectly reasonable things about the incidents. Let Chelsea fans be the ones backing a professional asshole. It was funny how Mourinho rattled along until claiming that simulation was the worst offense in football, when he never had a word of reproach for his own players when they dived (that I know of). If Fergie/Mourinho antics are the price of victory, I'd rather win nothing.
Well if he didn't see it then it can be punished. Not that it shouldn't be anyway of course if the ref has got it wrong, that rule is stupid. What's the odds that there will be any retrospective punishment though? Nil or nil? And just to read the BBC article, it is about nothing but Moany accusing Verts of being a 'disgrace', and there is not a single mention of Torres' assault on Verts for which he should have been immediately sent off. There is only mention of them appealing against the red - which will surely be the ultimate insult if the appeal is upheld! The media have a lot to answer for here, and this is the sort of subtle bias that favours teams such as Chelski. They will be happy to draw against us knowing that they are far more likely to get the 'rub of the green' (i.e. the balance of wrong decisions) against the lesser teams that we will not get.
I don't see the need for too much negativity from us, to be honest. I know that's rich coming from me, but I think we're being a little too harsh because we found the result disappointing. (somehow). Chelsea have players who can destroy just about any team in a matter of seconds, and like SOS says, the biggest problem yesterday was our setup/subs and the timing of the changes. Mata is Chelsea's best player by a country mile. The minute he came on, we should have been looking to take him out of the game as best as we could have. - Sandro should have come on instantly to get in his face. Chadli was a bizarre sub. I didn't have any problem with him coming on, but I don't know why he was placed on the right. - surely that should have been Lamela? Chadli is becoming a player who fans are starting to get frustrated with, but he's not actually getting any decent game time or being utilised properly. It's unfair to criticise him. No one is doing it with Lamela yet and he's hardly proven himself either! Soldado is becoming a strange one. I can't actually pick out anything to fault him on. he leads the line well but just seems to be going missing or not particularly visible. I'm beginning to think it's down to how we're attacking. We're very narrow in our build up. I am a fan of these "forwards" who cut in to shoot, but unfortunately playing like this for 90 mins is too obvious and is suffocating Soldado into getting any service which he'd be much more effective from. we need to have some variety in our attacks, where the "forwards" swap sides so they can get down the wing and cut the ball back into his "territory". At the moment, it's relying on sig or Eriksen to slip a ball through for him, but the areas are too tight and congested. If we have variety in the attacks by attacking from wider positions, it'll create more space in the centre for Soldado to get away from his marker/s, as defenders won't know how to mark us because we'll be far more unpredictable. Sig again, scored to continue his half decent run of goals this season, but the partnership with Naughton on the left is garbage. We're no threat down that side and every opponent knows it. Which is why it was even more frustrating to see Townsend taken off, when the right hand side was the only area of the pitch we looked dangerous from. I know many of you think i'm too harsh on sig, but the question we have to ask is: Would we be better/more dangerous overall for 90 mins with a more natural winger giving us balance? We've always been a club who have threatened down the wings. Against "weaker" opposition, we have enough quality not to worry about that so much. But IMO, against stronger opposition such as chelsea, we need to pose more of an overall threat. Mourinho sussed us at half time, and as a result, Eriksen and Paulinho were completely taken our of the game. It was a surprise that Dembele managed to do as well as he did. However, we must remember that we're still bedding in new players, which is probably why we didn't see Lamela yesterday. - It's like the Lloris situation all over again. I just wish we'd help ourselves a bit more with the little things such as the subs and timings. Sometimes AVB hasa masterstroke with them, sometimes it's the opposite end of the spectrum and completely baffles me to the point where I wonder what positivity the subs will offer to the game
I agree that the shoot on sight or even shoot blindly in some cases with some of our players limits what Soldado can bring. Swapping him for Defoe could make this worse as we'll just be adding another player looking to get a shot away without much interest in linking up with other players. It did look like someone had a word with Townsend about this yesterday and I thought he looked far more effective whilst still being quite direct. I can't remember a single shot Soldado actually took yesterday so it shows how few chances actually arrive in these sorts of games, especially goalscoring chances. Bringing Defoe in may cause another problem because of this. In games against weaker defences/teams Defoe may get a few chances and end up scoring a few if he's on form but in the big games it's less likely to be the case and you have to be far more clinical. Admittedly it wasn't an easy chance, but when Dembele managed to squeeze a through ball into Defoe for a chance for a winner the actual shot was quite tame and was a fairly straightforward save for Cech from what was a threatening situation. I'm not sure if it was the pressure but there wasn't any real conviction. I actually thought Dembele played quite well yesterday especially when Holtby came on. A midfield of Paulinho Dembele and Holtby seems to have more balance. If we are playing Eriksen in a midfield 3 I think it might help to have Sandro (or Capoue) in there somewhere.
Are you for real? You think those weren't dives? Just because you say they're not dives doesn't make it the case. Almost everyone would accept these were clear dives unless they're biased Chelsea fans lying to themselves trying to prove a weak point. Every team has divers but if you're not prepared to accept blatant dives from your own players you look foolish when complaining others are diving. I can't see the contact but even if there was, what do you mean by he should've gone down earlier? He clearly doesn't need to if he can carry on. Are you ok with simulation then? There was much more contact when Ivanovic put his arm on Paulinho today when Soldado put the ball in across goal. Do you believe he should've gone down and we missed out on a penalty? If so, all your complaining about the ref decisions against you is absolutely pointless. Just about every single booking Bale got last season there was more contact than this Cole incident (if there was any at all). I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of the first ones to vilify Bale even when some of them were clear penalties. Even the Ashley Young incidents there has been contact and I bet your one of those screaming cheat yet your purposely ignorant about your own players. It also appears that players that get booked for diving (regardless of whether it was a foul or not) are seen as worse than those who dive but the ref only talks to them without further punishment. Funny how you didn't comment on the Torres dive. And Ramires has had his own issues where MOTD clearly showed how he cons referees. Stop being so ignorant.
I've just seen District Line commenting on how good the Athletico Madrid forward was in this game so he surely saw the incident. I wonder if he commented on how strong his outrage is at this particular player trying to con the referee. Given his opinion of Vertonghen I think he has...
