Strangely enough I agree that the anti-protesters have made their point enough times (I'm only in partial agreement with them, in any case), although I will happily skim their comments. I do find it amusing that those now complaining about them doing this, are the Mods who supported them when I complained about them posting so-called jokes about baby-rape and extreme racism. Interesting principles at play. No doubt I will receive yet another PM telling me to move on as numerous PMs are being received asking for me to be banned; although why they don't PM me or simply post at me, is beyond me, tbh. Deleting their comments seems to be an unnecessary level of censorship about something that is quasi-political and open to everyone; do what I was told to do, don't read them. But that's not so easy as it seems, is it?
Move on Fezzywinks. I wished I'd have told the one about the African child with AIDS, it never gets old.
Me too. Seems to me we have a vociferous minority against the name change but willing to protest. An even smaller number slaggging that group off. its the 95% of apathetic "cant be arsed fans" that frustrate me. If thay dont do somthing, either way, then our owner will change the name.. Its that simple. I met OLM , Rick and PLT before the protest at the Cardiff game.. most fans walked past, heads down as if we were asking for cash . They were avoiding eye contact, didnt want to get involved, probably wondered what was going on. We forget that only a very small minority read forums, many less post. I for one will try to raise the profile, wear a badge and help Obi and these guys.
I thought about tidying up what seems to be tedious wumming, but apart from it being against the open spirit of the board, the gobshites and narrow issue posters are helping highlight the lack of argument for the name change, and by being dull and irritating, they're helping wake up some of the more apathetic types. In reality, they're helping promote the action against the name change, but other than that, they're of no great consequence. People should just use them as a vehicle to help highlight the issues, without taking them seriously.
Is there anyone actually arguing for the name change? I've not seen anyone, maybe that's why there's a lack of argument...
As the chairman has said it's happening, anyone not against it, is by default, in favour whether they like it or not. Many of those putting the most effort into deriding those opposing the name change, ironically claim they don't care either way. That is not a realistic position. If they didn't care, they'd have nothing to say, or at least not say nothing so often.
What a load of bollocks DMD, some of us just can't fathom the energy to get worked up about something like a name. Doesn't make us pro-name change, it makes us '****ing hate the bastard but can't be arsed to do owt'. It's not worth getting worked up over IMO. If you're going to put so much effort and emotion into protesting something, put it into something that really does matter, like NHS cuts, soldiers and military personnell being made redundant, emergency services being cut down and what not. As **** an idea as the name change is, no ones going to die or become worse off because of it.
But you HAVE got all worked up. Your post above shows that. If you can't be arsed, that's your choice, but why go on and on about not being bothered? Why not just get on with whatever floats your boat and leave others to do their thing? The NHS and other protest thing's a red herring, how do you know people don't protest several issues? There'd be no point trying to discuss it on here. Interupting to say you're not bothered time and again is a very odd stance to take. Oh, and IF the name change goes ahead, the Club and over a Century of history dies with it.
I still believe the name change is down to Mr Allam and his spat with the council back in jan 2011 it was all big ideas and good intensions http://www.thisishullandeastriding....tory-11954216-detail/story.html#axzz2fyq4c1DW . Then in march 2011 talk of moving to melton if council don't sell http://www.thisishullandeastriding....tory-11974128-detail/story.html#axzz2fyq4c1DW . Then a meeting in may 2011 http://www.thisishullandeastriding....tory-11974541-detail/story.html#axzz2fyq4c1DW . And his dream http://www.thisishullandeastriding....tory-11968246-detail/story.html#axzz2fyq4c1DW . To arguments http://www.thisishullandeastriding....tory-12794147-detail/story.html#axzz2fyq4c1DW . And http://www.thisishullandeastriding....tory-12737646-detail/story.html#axzz2fyq4c1DW . So cant see Mr Allam backing down on his stance on the different councils lib/dems and labour. Sorry for all the links they are easy to find tho
I was defending myself from being told I'm pro name change by you Dutch. You keep asking why people who won't bother with the marches bother posting about the issue if they can't be arsed to waste their time over goin on marches, but you keep bringing us in by making comments. You can't have it both ways.
Did anyone hear the interviews this morning on Radio Humberside. Think that they would have killed off the anti-name change argument. Total embarrassment. Don't agree with their argument, but it was still embarrassing. When one of them said that the name change wouldn't bring in investment from the Far East because he'd 'discussed it with the owner of his local Chinese Restaurant and he said it wouldn't work'. Then it was ended by 4 text messages from listeners, all ripping into the two interviewees.
Also on them links no mention of Hull tigers. Hull city tigers. or city been common. So when did it rise its ugly head
Considering how much you seem to like living in the past, you don't seem to have a good grasp of what "history" is. Explain to me how the club would "die" and how our history would "die with it" if you can? I am for the name change, I trust Dr A to know what he's doing, but am happy to be persuaded otherwise if anyone put together a sensible argument against it, which is why I pop onto these anti threads. While the arguments against it seem to boil down to our history dying, which is frankly stupid, my mind isn't changing. As it stands I'm more inclined to believe Dr A knows what he's doing than protesting because I think a name change will kill our club. *You* (the royal you, not you Dutch) thinking it won't increase our appeal or marketability doesn't wash with me either, without actual facts rather than speculation. I'd rather trust Dr A thinking it will. I'm happy to take a gamble that this could be a decision of pure brilliance than carrying on in the same old way we've always done and end up in the ****e again. If it fails, we have a different name, that could be changed again, or not, whatever. We've still got the same team and everything else around it. Persuade me otherwise with facts and logic.
If you're not against it, you are pro-name change. What you do and how you feel about that is your choice, but repetedly posting "you're not bothered" is clearly a nonsense.
I've never said I'm not against it or not bothered. It's a crap name, and I don't like it. At the same time I feel similar to Happy that Dr. A isn't an idiot, knows what he's doing and surely has some unknown as yet motive behind it, and that if its worth pissing off the majority of the core support over its got to be a big one. I'm just not going to waste effort going on protest marches and what not, I can do my bit in the stadium along with everyone else where it's most effective IMO. But if the name does change it's not the end of the world, we'll still be the same football club, in the same city, in the same colours, and I'd actually be intrigued to find out why Allam wants to change the name. And even so, being not against something doesn't mean you are for it. Sometimes people just really don't care. I'm not against labour, doesn't mean I'm pro labour, the simple face is I couldn't give the slightest **** in the world about politics.
...and round and round we go again. As I've said before, the onus is on those making the positive claim to prove it, not voce versa. That's logical argument. However, as you seem unable to grasp that, there is absolutley no evidence at all to support a claim that a name change will increase our stock in Asia. There's actually little evidence to show that this is in fact the real aim of Mr Allam, especially as several opportunities to raise our profile in that area have been missed. There's plenty of examples out there of failed name changes and poor marketing strategies, and this ticks all the same boxes. As for the club being killed. How on earth will it not be? Hull City AFC also known as the Tigers are a football club, playing and representing the City of Hull. The new name will be devoid of the 'Club' element and the City element and will lose it's nickname. Re registering the Club under the new name means it is a new club, it would be no more than a franchise in the same way MK is a franchise. If the name change goes ahead, and we win a trophy, what name would be on the trophy? In the future, if it goes through, how many trophies would Hull City be able to win? The answer's none, as Hull City would simply not exist. It'd be less dull if those that aren't bothered took less time and effort to share their apathy. I'm concerned it could be detracting from the more important campaigns they're involved in.
But by going on and on and on and on, you're showing you are bothered. You seem to be saying you're effectively protesting against the posibility of marches, as you oppose the name change and want to do somthing else? What a peculiar stance to take. Seems such an odd campaign to put your effort into.
He's already said, it's because it's 'common' and a 'lousy brand', neither of which are decent reasons for a name change.
