TORY PARTY using the tactics of 1930s Nazi Germany.

He has spoken his opinion on this subject, therefore as he hasn't insulted anybody directly, it doesn't warrant a deletion.

However, I will leave this here for Never to see, and if he disagrees, then he can remove it.

P.S. Can you please Gendros stop labelling posters as racists. Just because their views are different to yours doesn't mean that you have the right to label said person a racist. These sort of posts will not be tolerated. I have not seen one racist comment made, however can you point me in the direction of any such comment if they have been made, and they will be dealt with accordingly

 

The same could be said for you hiding behind your keyboard labelling others as racists

 

I've made it clear I'm not for discrimination or violent persuasion Gendros. I'm not right wing (or overly left wing truth be told) and I can't condone a movement based on mistrust and hatred.
I really just don't want to be coming on here to argue the toss with people who have some viewpoints I can never understand, I came to talk football. This thread caught my attention as a diversion from the Swans for a minute but has gone into a very dark place.
I'm all for a complete overhaul of government to make it reflect what people need rather than to be used as a vehicle for ambition. It seems Tom agrees with the change part but we differ as to the direction.
The truth is that the far right have next to no chance of election into power, their message seems to appeal more to a certain demographic and sex than other ideologies. Tom has already mentioned the lack of majority.
I am opposed to Tom's position Gendros, it isn't sustainable or attractive to me and most. I'm not the hand-wringing leftie either. I admire your stance defending your views and believe you to be acting out of honest altruism. I think Tom would point out that he thinks he is doing the same.

Tom has been careful to attack only Islam (however wrongly we may believe) and not race etc, however my fear is that groups such as WDL and EDL will then turn onto the next distasteful group once the enemy is expelled. It was only a few years ago that my friend moved to the borders and got attacked by the EDL for being Welsh. Suddenly they seem to be buddies. I don't trust them.
Tom you must see how these groups are Fascist? As much as the slimiest workings of inner-government are. Neither is the answer, they just perpetuate each other and the whole ****ty mess starts again in another 70-80 years.

I don't hate Islam. I don't like it either, nor any religion. You guys can slug it out but you won't change each others minds.

So just to clear this up: I won't be commenting on this thread in a football forum any longer and I find Tom's veiwpoint completely at odds with my own.

 

I have never been a member of any far right group. In fact this is the first time I have spoken about this in a pubic place. Most of my discussions about this are with friends, family and the odd guy I speak to outside school. The EDL will obviously have members who have hidden agendas, but any group will have members like that. I am only opposed to Islam and the blatant disregard for our customs. Steve might I ask what we are at odds with? If you are referring to what I said about violence, well I'm not a violent man, but if the government doesn't listen and silences it's people with groups like UAF what other alternative is there?

 

Valley, you claim to be educated and to work within the education sector. Religious descrimination and intolerance have been jumped on by the EDL and W D L as being just within the law to justify their extreme right wing fascist views, they stereo type and scapegoat those people within those faiths. Tom has been putting forward those views, just staying within the law. Other groups who did this were the Nazi party, who the OP cited when comparing the tories. Are you saying the Nazi's were entitled to their views? Are, as an educated man, you saying these views are not racist? As someone whose family has suffered religious and racist descrimination I would advise you that they are. As much as I say Dragon is wrong to describe the conservatives as fascists this is nothing compared to the discriminatory and racist tone this real fascist is putting out. But being educated I'm sure you know this already.
As for being a keyboard warrior, I have been involved in anti fascist/Nazi groups since 1976, and been involved in every demonstration locally and many national ones, including the great day we shut down the BNP headquarters in London, I will continue in this struggle to educate people about facism, and I will demonstrate against it as long as I live. I will not let my family down.

 

Gendros,

Ok I must talk to you again. What is it you think that I want, you seem to know?

Edit, oops I quoted myself. lol

 

I don't claim to be educated, I AM educated so stop with the patronising rhetoric.
Like I have said, please quote any phrases that involve racism and I will DEAL with them accordingly. So either put up or shut up on the matter of labelling others

 

Valley you label yourself.

 

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Where have the racist quotes by anybody in this thread so that I can deal with them?

 

Well valley just look through his posts, why do you think stevejack distanced himself. I've seen your anti English posts on other threads and I've seen your tacit agreement of Muslim discrimination on this thread, if the cap fits.

 

Put up or shut up gendros

 

Gendros,

You know what I want, well I want the government to stand up and say they made a mistake and then actually do something about it. This is an actual quote from David Cameron

“multiculturalism has been a failure” that has promoted Islamic extremism. He admitted that the West has been “cautious, frankly even fearful” of standing up to it, and concluded:
“We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values. This hands-off tolerance has only served to reinforce the sense that not enough is shared... What we see - and what we see in so many European countries - is a process of radicalisation. ”

He is basically saying what I've been saying. So David Cameron is now a racist, the very man that was the original signatory to your fascist UAF.

I pity you, you have been indoctrinated to the point where you don't even know what racism is any more. Soon as someone points out something wrong with this failed multiculturalism you call them a racist. I fear things have already spiralled out of control for the government, that is why they censor the truth.

I know it's pointless, just wish you would wake up and see the threat coming from Islam.

 

Why can't we all get along.

[video=youtube;PSvnIwg0lEA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvnIwg0lEA[/video]

 

Tom , you can twist whatever quotes you like, quote out of context, use your descedited 'experts' try and justify your twisted view of the world but you will never succeed. You are what you are, its in plain view for all to see, you are in a tiny, malignant mminorityy who fade when exposed to the light.

 

One reason why UAF will not campaign against Islamist extremists is that one of its own vice-chairmen, Azad Ali, is one. As well as his UAF role, which he took up last year, Mr Ali is community affairs coordinator of the Islamic Forum of Europe, a Muslim supremacist group dedicated to changing “the very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed from ignorance to Islam”.

Mr Ali has written on his blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric closely linked to many terrorist plots, including the September 11 attacks, and used to attend talks by Abu Qatada, the extremist cleric whom Britain is seeking to deport.

He has described al-Qaeda as a “myth” and denied that the Mumbai attacks were terrorism. On his blog, he also advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq. He sued a newspaper for reporting that he had said this, and lost.

 

Thank you Monty for that sickening bit of information. I knew UAF were misguided but not to this extent. I think gendros really needs to take a step back from those traitors. If he doesn't he's the worst kind.

 

'When I despair, I remember that all through history, the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they fall. They always fall.'
Mahatma Ghandi
I stand by my case, the EDL and the WDL are fascist organisations. Ordinary people unite and protect themselves from these organisations, I am proud to be one. Keyboard warriors here would not dare speak the way they write here in a public forum because they would be lab led what they are racists and fascists. The very few who do are driven from our streets.

People here have started using this thread to tacitly forward these racist and fascist views. They are despicable, the lowest form of humanity. The only way to promote harmony is to talk, terrorism on any side is disgusting and should be ruthlessly stamped on. It should be done with recourse to the law. Freedoms of individuals to pray to any damn god they like should be guaranteed as should not believing in any damn god.
Scapegoating particular faiths is a recipe for disaster, it is a path that was followed by the most disgusting criminals in history. People who use the same methods should be publicly exposed and driven from our communities. There are ma y on here who share those views, shame on you. Off to shower now, just clicking on this thread now makes me feel dirty.

 

Isn't that exactly what we have been doing, talking. This is a debate that needs to be discussed. But soon as some one points out something outside your view they are to be silenced. There is no anger of violence here. To be honest I don't care what you think or others would think so I would have no problem speaking about this in public. If fact due to your opposition and shocking information I've uncovered the last couple of days I will be going to the EDL march in Bradford on the 12th of October. See you on the other side traitor.

 

I will be there fascist.

 

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