I can't be bothered right now. I will make a thread within the next few days outlining why I think he's not up to the job, then people can go through it point by point saying why they disagree or even agree if they think I make a good point. I'll probably just get a load of abuse for it and may even end up getting banned for it but there you go. I might seek assurances from one of the mods that I'm safe to explain my position.
Why dont you go play on the motorway clive you bellend. You weren't wanted on JA606 and you're not wanted here. Trouble causer.
I like Clive's approach to Leeds Utd - he thinks that you are all ******s that are supporting a **** team that's being managed by a **** manager that was hired by a crap boardroom...the lad talks sense!
Cheers Tommy for that reasoned response on Clive's behalf. Clive can say what he likes about BMD. No one other than Clive will be listening or paying attention.
Clive if you say a manager should be sacked from day one then eventually everyone will probably agree with you at some point but **** me you bore the **** out of me
He's not saying you were right because you've ignored the intricacies of what he's said. You're incapable of seeing anything in shades of grey. Just go somewhere else.
It's quite clear to anyone with half a brain that Grayson wasn't responsible for those players leaving, and it was in fact ken bates.
You've either just twisted the whole of Josh's argument or you haven't understood. This is probably why people get frustrated with you CliveTime, it was frustrating for me to read your response tbh. I believe these are Josh's points: 1. Grayson was given time, yes, but without backing. He lost the plot because of this lack of backing and him being in a position which he wouldn't have been (possibly) if he had that backing. You can have all the time in the world but when you lose your best players and are not backed to get the same or better quality in, you're destined to fail. 2. Fair enough point about hindsight... If i'm being honest, maybe Grayson did lack a bit of it. One of his limitations was a lack of a plan b in tactics, or changing things around when we needed to. How much of this was down to not having the tools for a different job we can debate about all day because he never got that from the board. 3. We can always find faults with managers, they're human and nobody is prefect. There is a big difference between highlighting an issue or two you have with a decision BMD has made and saying you want him sacked. People on JA606 have apparently been criticising him for no sound reason, that was the point. If it was logical and had reasoning to back it up, they wouldn't be mad to make any criticism. 4. If people have a different view to you, or your reasons to wanting him sacked, it's not making excuses.. it's called a difference in opinion. As long as you were to back your arguments up with sound reason I don't think many would get on your back. They wouldn't necessarily agree but it's your view and and your reasoning. Now if you keep pushing those same views with the same reasoning after they've been heard and disagreed with, then I can understand people getting bored of hearing it.
People don't like having their words twisted. They don't like being talked down to for having a different opinion. Your opinions have never been the reason you get abuse or the reason you get banned, it's your disrespect for other people. You've shown absolutely no signs of acknowledging that it is your own fault you were banned from several different forums for the way you speak to people and no signs of changing your behaviour. You will be banned from here imminently with any luck.
I'm not from Brighton, my missus and me just happen to live there - sometimes you just don't have a choice, and being beside the sea is nice - so less of the 'gay' inuendo from you my lad! (I note that you don't give your location on your details).....but I suspect that quite a lot of Leeds supporters actually choose to live in Leeds, why would anyone want to do that?....what's your excuse? do you live in the gay area of Leeds? Anyway that got a bit 'off-topic', but - DON'T BAN THE 'CLIVE 1' - I like the way he pulls all of your strings....
Do you know what the figure is on the rent, are you sure we still have a debt on Season ticket sales as GFH said we were debt free when they purchased us and if we do have that debt 25% was the figure branded around, reduce ticket sales on that 25% and the remaining 75% is still far higher than many teams in this division. We believe we have no money based on what? GFH telling us so?? Again our support base is far greater than many, extra sales on merchandise too. As for dead wood http://www.leedsunited.com/players/ our squad isn't that big.
Look a bit harder Tommy its not rocket science.Lifecheshirewhite Can't say I know much about wanting to live in Leeds,but having been there and Bermondsey,Leeds would be 1st choice out of the 2.
It was a lump sum of 3.5 million. The first 3.5 million of season ticket sales went straight out the door. We still have debt but gfh may not see it as debt .
I know very little about what's where 'up north' - but when you enter 'Cheshire' into google earth - the little red arrow appears in the middle of a field...do you reckon that's where he lives?....and there's fock all worth talking about in Essex - yet another ****hole north of the Thames!
Well Tommy I hope you and the missus are very happy in Brighton, walking your chihuahua along the seafront I presume your missus is happy is he?
