You're an optimist, getting Papa to change his mind's a piece of piss compared to expecting tubby to learn.
OLM... I have watched... Please do not take 606 as real life. The reality is that Hull City fans are talking less and less about the name change, and more and more about the success on the field.
Wait... don't take a forum full of real people expressing their real opinions about a real world subject as real?
That's my point, we have nothing to compare it to. That one challenge you, then? Did you miss the fact that I am anti-name-change, yet I do try and argue reasonably. That's an assumption that could be possible, but I would rather call it a possibility; the wider commercial incentives of ownership are gone (stadium and development land), so what is the incentive to continue with ownership? It cannot be dismissed as a benefit. It's all bollocks; focus on the stadium and the council. Everything starts somewhere. Oh dear, simple things often are not. If our name was Hull Tigers or Hull City Tigers and we had an abbreviated nickname of the Tigers, just what is the problem in day-to-day life? My argument for not suffering a name-change is that it is our identity and any change is not worth pissing that down the gutter; I associate it with my friends and relatives who have passed on and I dislike the idea of abandoning it for some half-cocked notion of commercial advancement. Do I need to argue the minutiae of it, no, not in my world; who cares except rabble-rousers and trolls? I donât like the notion, end of! This thread was created purely for argument and dogmatism and it has moved nothing one jot further forward. I find myself wanting to support the campaign, but disliking some elements of it. This isnât the way forward. The arrogance of this post sets you aside.
Nope, ignored nothing. I wished I'd ignored some though. There hasn't been one robust post to show a real benefit from the name change.
Already been done. NEXT. To save time, I guess I should add that I did read your reply to that, and your assumption is too big. IF the name change doesn't go ahead, the probability is that it would be by negotiation and compromise. There is little if any likelihood of it being forced through in such a way it would drive Papa away.
I've avoided the "Hull Tigers" debates for a while - but might as well chuck in my opinion whilst I can be bothered: Fans are currently suffering death by 1000 pin pricks. For some, this is the pin prick that drew blood - for others, they can take a bit more. Ultimately, we are each being charged £100's to watch a game that we could watch with a bit of spare land, some white paint, and a couple of goals. That's the reality - and we have come to that via a series of small changes over 100 years or so. Now - i'm not getting all high and mighty on this. I still love Hull City, I was at Newcastle on Saturday and had an amazing time. I am always watching the football on Sky, whoever the big teams are, and I don't make a particular effort to watch lower league games (other than when City were down there). I talk about transfers, get excited when we spend £5m on a player etc... But ultimately, I realise there is a bit of a flaw in my behaviour. Why am I watching this team that happen to be located closer to my place of birth than another team? Especially when I fork out money to watch a sport which I could effectively watch online for free (and select and change the game I watch, for the best chance of entertainment). It has been said before, but it is a bit like a drug. So, anyway, what does any of this semi-philosophical football nonsense have to do with Hull Tigers? Well, I think it shows that we are ultimately attached to the club - for a multitude of 'hard to pin down' reasons. The name itself isn't that important - but it is a symbol of the frustration which is felt when we lose control of something which is effectively ours. We are charged for something that is ours. The club is us. But - that's Capitalism. I think any determined fan efforts to stop the name change - whilst perhaps admirable, are concentrating on the symptoms rather than the cause. Fan ownership is the logical step forward - and although a more lofty aim than stopping the name change, is the only real way to stop these continued pin pricks.
The club owes Assem Allam £66 million how is he going to leave the club? He could try and sell it. What buyer would pay £66 million for the shares before putting a penny into the team? Either a very rich one or somebody who'll borrow it from somewhere else. Assem Allam is a businessman. He can see the future financial returns from establishing us as a premier league team. He's not about to chuck his family fortune away by selling up. Assem Allam says he wants to give our community a football team that competes in Europe. I believe him, which means, unlike Blackpool, which paid the premier league profits to the owner of the club, I suspect we'll continue to owe him £66 million for a few years yet.
We have a name that is abbreviated to City and Hull already. Neither is a nickname just as Tigers wouldn't be a nickname.
Assem Allam in his Look North interview said he needs a lot of money to achieve his aim of taking Hull City into Europe. He can raise that money by selling all or part of his shareholding or selling millions of shirts in Asia each year. Selling millions of shirts in Asia will be dependent upon success on the pitch whilst selling his shareholding will change the ownership of the club. Assem Allam has put £66 million in in loans. An investor with the wealth to take us into Europe will be putting millions of pounds more in. Do you think they'd settle for a minority shareholding unless they had something to hide? None of this is depends on changing our name.
