On his recent form Curtis is playing as well as any CH in the Prem, and I've been saying that he and Hudd should figure in Woys World Cup squad on here for a while. He is very quick, strong in the tackle, and virtually unbeatable in the air. Makes most of our current crop look cumbersome. With Gerrard and Lampard at the end of their careers, Hudd has to be a key part of England's future plans. Chester is at least a couple of years away IMO but certainly has the potential, while Livermore should also be in contention.
Bit ridiculous if you ask me, you can have an exceptional player in a ****e team. Wasnt David Nugent in the 2nd tier when he played? And he did well. Steve Bull also. Im sure there were others.
Nugent didn't do well at all. He scored a scabby goal in a lack lustre perofrmance against Andorra, and wasn't liked by the majority of the England fans. Anyway, they've played 4 matches, which is nowt to go on. Lets see if their form dips, or they excel playing for their club side first, before we all call for Woy to give them a cap.
There was a real clamour to include him. And anyway, he's just an example to back up my original point that just picking people from top half teams is ridiculous.
Depends if you think England could do well or not. To do well, you really need the players to be at the top of their domestic leagues, in my opinion.
We've been through this. Because he's better! If Huddlestone was better than Cleverley he wouldn't have left Tottenham to go to a smaller club. Cairney isn't Scottish at all he just plays for them because he'll never play for England, like most of their team. God knows how bad they'd be if they had to field a Scottish team. The same goes for France and Germany.
Juve got relegated for match fixing, not because their players weren't up to the standards of the league & couldn't compete, which is the norm. It's hardly the same as picking players who are in struggling teams, is it?
Juventus did NOT get relegated for match fixing. Why is it people in England ****ing ignorant of the facts always assume that? There was not 1 single element of the multiple parts that made up the court case of Calciopoli that even hinted at match fixing and never was an accusation made of it. English media attitude - there's a scandal in italy in which teams are being punished? Well let's print that it's match fixing then.... Enough people print it and then everyone believes it. ****ing pathetic. And back to the point - you didnt stipulate this in your argument. You said "To do well, you really need the players to be at the top of their domestic leagues, in my opinion." Buffon wasnt.
What i said is quite clear- England should pick players from teams in the top half of the premier league. I've not changed my opinion here. I also said, we've played 4 matches and let's wait and see if Huddlestone, Livermore and Davies carry on with their decent start to the season. You can't warrant a call up after 4 matches. You've tried to get round that by saying Buffon, and other Juve players, got into the Italian national team despite their demotion. The Juve relegation/ demotion, whatever it was, is a bizarre occurance and probably a one off.
It's a ridiculous point Golaccio. One player doesn't make a team. Huddlestone could have a great season and we still get relegated because of other players not performing, it wouldn't mean he was ****. Equally Bale was probably in the top 5 players in the world last season. Tottenham finished 5th because the rest of their team wasn't good enough but that doesn't take anything away from Bale's ability.
Wake up and smell the coffee bum face. Corruption and match fixing are rife in Italy. They are probably the worst (apart from the Nigerians (not racist) and Stephen Lee). Your devotion/obsession with Italian football is blinding you to these facts
Huddlestone is a very good footballer for us to have signed, but to begin thinking he is gonna get picked to play for England is a little bit mental just at the minute. He needs to get a full season of games in firstly, we havn't even come close to seeing him at his best yet.
If he excels here then good luck to him. Same with Livermore. I don't think they've played enough to warrant a call up. I never said they were ****, by the way. I reckon they'll be overlooked because they play for a lower Premier League side. And in order to be a success on the international stage, England will want the better players from the bigger teams to play. At the moment, they face competition from Gerrard, Lampard, Wilshere (injuries permitting), Barry, Carrick etc etc. Their ability isn't as good as the ones i've listed. But they are comfortable enough to play top flight football.
Surely playing at the top of their game is more important. A **** player who plays for Man Utd shouldn't get picked over a good player playing for Stoke.
Sometimes a top player doesn't play well, and can be infuriating at times to watch, but you know the talent is there. For instance, Berbatov was a lazy bugger for United, but he could turn it on when he wanted to. I think if you were that **** and somehow in the United team, they'd be transfered straight away. A player with less talent usually has a go, but lacks the quality. Sometimes they can have a purple patch, which is deceiving, but generally the cream rises to the top, and class eventually tells. I think Huddlestone & Livermore are good enough for midtable. They weren't good enough for Spurs, as shown by their lack of starts/ game time. Whether that's good enough for Woy is another matter. I don't see them playing for England whilst at City.
I understand what you're saying, but England have been selecting players using your method for years and it hasn't done us much good.
