***Swansea Vs Liverpool Match Thread***

So you can actually prove yourself to be very limited in your logicality. In the not too distant past the biggest gambling exercise for the British public was the football pools. There punters were invited to pick combinations of DRAWS. So are you now trying to tell me that only wins and loses exist in football?
Now just try (note I said try) and widen your horizons and see that DRAWS exist in other sports as well! For goodness sake cricket aficionados can salivate after 5 days of watching a draw!!!

So an attacker can demonstrate great skill - nobody is arguing about that. It is the responsibility of the defender to either match or better that skill. If the defender does not do that then he, his colleagues or the tactics used have failed and a mistake has been made. The quote you make is mere hyperbole.

 

Is this seriously still being discussed?

 

Oh ffs

Try reading it, I said SPORTING contest, ergo any sport you care to mention. The exclusion of discussing a draw I thought was self explanatory, but seemingly not to a pendant desperately trying to cling on to their shredded argument.

The 2nd highlighted piece is contradictory, as you admit on one breath that an attacker can show great skill, but then say it is the defenders 'responsibility' to match or better that skill, which is a total nonsense. As it assumes that the opponents are of equal capability.
A full back for a non league side would get ripped to shreds by Ronaldo, but not because he was error prone, merely because in terms of pace & natural ability his opponent is simply better than him. Same as when Andy Murray plays the World No. 200 or England beat the Aussies......

 

Tobes that bit's just wrong. There are loads of sporting contests where the most skilful wins simply because they are better, so your Andy Murray example doesn't work here, but in low scoring team sports, specifically football, goals are the result of one team losing possession and one gaining it. You have to look at how the possession was turned-over and no matter how much skill the player shows in getting the goal, it is quite likely that he wouldn't have got the ball in the first place had the opponents not made a mistake in giving it up. His goal will be applauded deservedly so for the skill used and particularly if it's the result of long term possession as the original turn-over will be forgotten.

 

I'm quite proud that this long long LONG debate has started because of me question the Moses goal being a gift

 

So, Man United draw Scarborough Athletic in the FA Cup. United wouldn't be expected to win because they are simply much better than their opponents in terms of the quality of their playing staff then? It would merely be down to their opponents making mistakes on the day?

Ok mate x

 

Isn't being better another way of saying they make less mistakes...? This argument could go on for years

 

Surely the many variables involved in any goal all contribute, the length of the grass hasn't been mentioned yet ignore that at your peril!

 

That would be a mistake by the ground keeper

 

Or maybe a lack of skill on his part?

 

Only if it effects the away team

 

The focus was only on goals resulting from mistakes and not on which team in an uneven contest is likely to win, that's another argument. I don't believe all goals are the results of mistakes, which I've already said. But - acting as devil's advocate - you'd still be able to point to the mistakes made by Scarborough that allowed the goals. Plus when Scarborough win, will the focus be on utd's skill or their mistakes?

For me it all comes down to possession and how you got possession before the goal was scored.

 

Or in our case, Suarez's hand...

 

What I want to know is if the ghost of elvis appeared thumped an absolute blinder in to the top corner, only for a the keeper having been in the exact right position couldn't get his finger tips too it and the ghost of elvis scored? Would that be gods mistake for not giving said keeper longer fingers?

 

Ok I've sorted it, after a long search I've found out who cut the grass and this is what I've found.......

So there was no problem with the lawnmover and as we can see Dennis is a name we can trust so we can catagorically say that the Moses goal had nothing to do with the grass.

My mind is blown I don't know where to go next it could be the temperature that was at fault so Global Warming needs to be considered and that's going to open up all sorts of questions. This could be the fault of God himself or maybe it's just down to humanity and all the evils we commit, it's easy to blame God but maybe we should look within ourselves?

 

Maybe the ball was a bit flat?

 

Let's get something straight here. You are wrong and you know it! My argument is far from shredded as you haven't been able to forward one realistic opposing thought. Draw's are and always have been a natural consequence in many competitive sports. The same also happens in Rugby and Cricket. That does not mean that either side has not been able to demonstrate outstanding skill.

However, when an attacker has very high levels of skill then it is the responsibility of the defence to counter that level of skill by organising themselves properly. It does not necessarily mean that one defensive player has to match the skill of an individual attacker. If the attacker does succeed in his objective then the collective defence have made a mistake - unless of course they also have a highly skilled attacker who can also defeat the opposition's defence.

You lost this argument long ago. If you wish to persist then by all means do so.

 

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who ****ing cares that you don't ****ing care!

 

You keep telling yourself that love.....

You've not countered anything I've said, you've merely repeated the same incorrect diatribe.

We'll agree to disagree....