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Discussion in 'Celtic' started by Mind The Duck, Sep 17, 2013.

  1. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    I love your threads :)
     
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  2. VenomPD

    VenomPD Merrick jr

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    Stupid is as stupid does <whistle> <GUMP>

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  3. VenomPD

    VenomPD Merrick jr

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    Couldn't resist.

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  4. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    Why do you think Albatross is stupid?
     
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  5. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    You should have.
     
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  6. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    I was expecting images of Mordor :'(
     
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  7. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    Because he still hasnt realised that Pud is Campbell Ogilvies son..
     
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  8. Null

    Null Well-Known Member
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    That makes sense ...
     
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  9. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    He's a bit mental but seems harmless enough. He would do well to understand that the media in Scotland (especially the newspapers) are sinking and have very little money left for any serious investigation. If he thinks they're going to use what little money they have left to investigate Rangers then he's seriously deluded.

    Some arseholes in the press may have turned a blind eye to what went on at Ibrox (and what's still going on) but if he thinks there's some sort of pro-Raners agenda then he needs to wake up to reality. The likes of the Daily Record, the Herald and Scotsman are on their knees and don't have the resources to investigate what's going on. There's no conspiracy.
     
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  10. VenomPD

    VenomPD Merrick jr

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    That's The Black Gate.
     
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  11. VenomPD

    VenomPD Merrick jr

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    This <ok>

    Expecting anything other than this to happen is <GUMP> behaviour.
     
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  12. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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  13. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    He's very entertaining, though. Him and hoopy are great for laffs.
     
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  14. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    He's like one of the random nutters who phone Radio Clyde, when that happens I turn the radio down before my toes start curling. In his case I tend not to read any more than the first sentence.

    Can't be arsed in truth.
     
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  15. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    IT IS unlikely that Ian Black is going to sit down any time soon &#8211; if at all &#8211; and explain what he was thinking about that day he struck a bet on East Stirlingshire to get a draw against his own team, Rangers, at Ochilview on April 27.
    That&#8217;s the first question you&#8217;d like to ask him. Not about the 159 other bets he placed that contravened the SFA&#8217;s betting rules, but that one wager, as part of an accumulator, on Scottish football&#8217;s most hopeless senior club getting a draw against the newly crowned Third Division champions with Black himself at the heart of their midfield on the day

    If you leave to one side the fact that any such betting on football was against the SFA rules, how did Black come to the conclusion that that was the wager he wanted to place? What weird rationale made him opt for a draw?

    East Stirlingshire were not only bottom of the league but they hadn&#8217;t had a draw &#8211; not to mind a win &#8211; in any of their previous eight games.
    In fact, they ended up losing their last ten games of the season conceding 39 goals in the process. In the games leading up to Black&#8217;s bet on a stalemate, East Stirlingshire had lost 5-1 to Queen&#8217;s Park (the week before the Rangers match), lost 2-1 to Annan, lost 6-0 to Peterhead, lost 2-0 to Clyde, lost 2-1 to Montrose, lost 2-0 to Berwick and lost 9-1, yes, 9-1 &#8211; to Stirling Albion.

    Where was the form-line that suggested they were capable of holding Rangers?
    East Stirlingshire had conceded 101 goals in their 41 games leading up to Rangers match. Black had already played against them three times that season. On none of those occasions was there the slightest bit of evidence that the worst team in Scottish senior football was capable of getting a draw against Ally McCoist&#8217;s side. In the first match, Rangers beat them 5-1. In the second, Rangers won 6-2. In the third, Black&#8217;s team won 3-1. Three games and an aggregate score of 14-4 and then Black goes for a draw?

    Does that make sense?

    Black has been found guilty of betting on football, and betting against his own team, but is there no suggestion of anything more sinister, such as deliberately underperforming in that East Stirlingshire game in order to make the draw a little more likely.
    Black scored the goal that put Rangers 3-2 ahead, thereby helping to sink his own bet. In that regard, he was a bookmakers&#8217; dream. A punter who deliberately stymied his own wager? That&#8217;s nirvana for a bookie.

    All of this is weird and demands explanation but we won&#8217;t get it because Black won&#8217;t talk (not for a while at any rate, you&#8217;d have to imagine) and the judicial panel won&#8217;t publish their findings.

    None of this is helpful. Here is a footballer who has admitted to betting against his own team and yet, effectively, he will serve the same suspension as a player found guilty of a bad challenge.

    On Friday, Rangers manager Ally McCoist said that he had no issue with Black or his betting and that, too, is unsatisfactory. How could the Rangers manager not have an issue with one of his players taking the field having had a bet on his team not to win the match he was playing in?
    McCoist&#8217;s words are actually a betrayal of sorts. Imagine McCoist trying to explain himself to a Bill Struth or a Scot Symon? Imagine those gentlemen trying to get their head around this business of Black betting on Rangers drawing with East Stirlingshire before going out to play against them?
    Amid all the hoopla surrounding the Black case, there was one point on which nearly everybody was agreed and that was that a player should never bet against his own team. Black has admitted to doing precisely that at the end of last season. The Rangers man has been fined, in essence, little more than a week&#8217;s wages and is banned, in effect, for three games, the same punishment doled out to Dundee United&#8217;s Gavin Gunning a few weeks ago for having a sneaky kick at Virgil van Dijk of Celtic.

    At times like this the easy thing to do is to give the SFA a shoeing for a verdict that makes little sense to most people but what has to be remembered is that it was their judicial panel which handed down this sanction on Black and that that panel is independent. It stands alone but it is the SFA that must deal with the fallout.

    Three matches, with seven more suspended, does not amount to zero tolerance of players&#8217; gambling on football.
    Players gambling isn&#8217;t really the nub of the Black affair, of course. Players have a punt. Managers have a punt. Many people in the game have a punt on football even though they are not supposed to. But they don&#8217;t bet on their own team not winning. That&#8217;s crossing the line.
    Quite frankly, you won&#8217;t stop players betting.

    It&#8217;s instructive to note that Black&#8217;s punishment only relates to betting on games involving the club he was registered with at the time. For more than a hundred other breaches, all admitted by the player, he received nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
    What is the point of a rule if there is no sanction when it is broken multiple times?

    From the outset of this case, the major question was whether Black had bet against his own team in a match in which he was playing. He did and he deserved a bigger sanction than the one he got. He certainly deserved harsher words than his manager was prepared to offer in public.
    McCoist didn&#8217;t have to sack Black, although Rangers fired Fran Sandaza for a lot less under the pretence of disloyalty. Isn&#8217;t betting against your team the very essence of disloyalty?

    We still don&#8217;t know why he did it. That&#8217;s the truly mystifying part.

    The panel discounted match-fixing and ruled out any notion that he tried in any sinister way to influence the game to bring up his bet. Once he stops breathing his sighs of relief at such a lenient punishment and the undeserved support of his employers which followed in its wake, Black might want to explain what he was thinking.

    The bet, as part of the accumulator, flew in the face of form and logic and integrity, it was against the rules of the game and against the spirit of the dressing room.

    For breaking the one rule that most football people (McCoist excluded, it seems) say cannot be broken, Black will serve a three-game ban.
    Hard to fathom, just like his bizarre wager at Ochilview that day.

    Tom English
     
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  16. Thomas The Cat

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    He's never commented on a game or a player or a posted a song on Dev's thread!
     
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  17. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Maybe that's a blessing in disguise.
     
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  18. Null

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    The ****!
     
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  19. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    Charlotte Fakes revelations of media control and Irvines claim that these revelations were obtained illegally would suggest that the media in Scotland have acted in a corrupt manner.

    It also cost £0.00 extra to print a real story rather than an Ibrox PR Release...bloggers have done more than paid professionals in this regard

    Serious investigation is not required when the bleeding obvious is easily at hand
     
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  20. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    Used to be pro rangers agenda in the wee papers, I stopped buying them because the reading was infuriating, with the likes of Keith Jackson and Darryl King still writing(imassuming) it will always be there between the lines. They cant help get snidey little digs in, two bitter tragic men.
     
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