Never mind the conspiracies, just listen to the evidence on the complete and utter inept defence systems communications, tells you all you need to know, those in the military that were in control, didn't want to stop those planes, that much is obvious, can anyone seriously say the the US defence system while under attack is this ponderous and inept? clearly everything did go to plan, the rest is just window dressing for the public gallery!................ PS: And remember that two of the planes that were supposed to have hit the WTC, were still sighted in the air 20 minutes after whatever aircraft did hit the WTC? Are we really to believe that some hill billy freedom fighters on donkeys in Afghanistan planned and executed the operation, that beat the state of the art defence systems of the most powerful nation on earth? Please people get real, I never did believe it for one minute, and the speed and implosion of these buildings, my first thought was demolition Big thanks to Norway for putting this up, at least some folk are not asleep as to what is now happening in our so-called democracies!...........
So (if) the u.s gov was behind it and killed thousands of thier own people in the 9/11 attack not to mention the many other deaths following it and do get found out what would the repercutions be for the western world ? And (if) so how ruthless would the perperTRATORS be in protecting themselves from the backlash that would surely follow ? What would the stance be of the military and law machine then i wonder ! scarey stuff that means (if) it happened they would probably say it would be better to cover it up for the good of the western world order, whilst still accomplishing thier goals whatever they are ? IF
Ever since the moment of the first impact at the World Trade Center, a struggle has raged between two broad, competing ideas of what really happened on September 11th, 2001. The US administration delivered an almost immediate verdict, which can be described as follows: Dispatched by Osama Bin Ladin’s network and motivated by hatred and religious fanaticism, 19 suicide bombers hijacked four planes, crashed three of them into their targets, and caused the collapse of the Twin Towers as a consequence of the resulting damage and fires. The 19 men did not necessarily require any accomplices within the United States; and no one in the US government could have possibly anticipated or prevented the attacks. Even as the administration exploited this Official Story (or “Official Conspiracy Theory” as the pretext to launch new wars long in the making, independent researchers began to accumulate a vast body of evidence suggesting a different narrative for 9/11: that of the False Flag Operation. The 9/11 events and the anomalies in the official story raised Unanswered Questions about: the unprecedented failure of the US air defense system on the morning of the attacks; the AWOL military chain of command during the actual attacks, including the inexplicable behavior of the presidential entourage; the seeming impossibility of official claims with regard to Flight 77; the evidence that Flight 93 was shot down; contradictions and dubious evidence in the official claims about the alleged hijackers and masterminds, and doubts about their real identities; signs that the alleged hijackers enjoyed high-level protection against discovery by honest investigators; evidence that the alleged hijackers were financed by states allied with US intelligence; suspicious and massive international financial trades suggesting foreknowledge of the attacks; widespread signs of official foreknowledge and, in fact, advance preparation for the 9/11 attack scenario; the long-running links between Islamist fundamentalist terror cells and US covert operations, dating back to CIA support for the anti-Soviet mujahedeen and Osama Bin Ladin himself; the demolition-like collapse of the Twin Towers and of a third skyscraper, WTC 7; and questions concerning who could have logically expected to derive benefit in the aftermath of a massive attack on the United States. The suspicions received further confirmation a few weeks after September 11th, with the arrival of anthrax letters targeted only at opposition politicians and media figures, and timed to coincide with the introduction of the USA PATRIOT Act. Already within those first weeks, loose networks of researchers and investigators formed via the Internet to generally become known as the “9/11 skeptics.” They presented substantial bodies of evidence to show that elements within the US government must have been involved in facilitating or orchestrating the attacks – in other words, that 9/11 was possibly a classic case of “false-flag” or synthetic terrorism, such as corrupt states have often perpetrated on their own citizens.
What motive would people in the US government or establishment have to commit crimes of this magnitude? The outrage caused by September 11th allowed the Bush administration to instantly implement policies its members have long supported, but which were otherwise infeasible. 9/11 was exploited to launch an open-ended, perpetual âwar on terror,â actually a war against any and all enemies the US government may designate. The case of Iraq shows that the target countries of this war need have nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were both planned and prepared in advance of September 11th, with the apparent motive of gaining geostrategic advantage and seizing vital resources. The architects of the Iraq invasion within the Bush administration had earlier been members of the Project for a New American Century. In the PNAC manifesto of September 2000 (âRebuilding Americaâs Defensesâ), they admitted that the American people would be unwilling to pay the stiff price for US global hegemony, full-spectrum military dominance, and the imposition of a new order in the Middle East â unwilling, that is, in the absence of a catalyzing event, an epochal lesson such as a ânew Pearl Harbor.â 9/11 put the nation on a permanent war footing, allowed the extension of secrecy doctrines, and temporarily deified the President. The unprecedented public fear was stoked and exploited to allow a roll-back of domestic rights and liberties, as had long been advocated by key members of the Bush administration (and their allies in both major parties). 9/11 allowed the designation of âenemy combatantsâ in violation of international law; preventive detention and the open use of torture; the activation of long-standing âshadow governmentâ plans; the passage of measures officially undermining constitutional government; and a wholesale re-definition of US geopolitics and American society itself. Perhaps most important of all to potential conspirators, trillions of dollars in spending priorities were predictably shifted from âbutterâ to âgunsâ in the years after September 11th, unleashing a new wave of growth and profiteering in the war and security industries. 9/11 became a pretext for economic crisis management and transformation under the cover of war and counterterror. From the beginning, those who doubted the official story saw the potential for achieving a different kind of global transformation. By exposing the great fraud to the public, the 9/11 dissidents hoped to reverse the policies adopted after September 11th; to end the wars; to reveal a long and sordid history of covert operations, black budgets and hidden economics; to wake up the American people to the reality of the globalist drive to corporate feudalism, which is destroying the natural environment and the lives of the planetary majority; and to motivate the people to act against this sea of troubles. The first two years after September 11th saw the rise of the Familiesâ Movement, which kept the issue of the âunanswered questionsâ alive, and which forced the creation of the official 9/11 Commission. The Bush administration acted to delay, stonewall and starve all official investigations â with the complicity of the mainstream media, who ignored the festering questions or at best ridiculed those who asked them. Many signs confirmed that there was indeed a 9/11 Cover-up: outrageous conflicts of interest within official investigating bodies, such as the appointment of Henry Kissinger and then Philip Zelikow to the 9/11 Commission; destruction of evidence; the silencing of whistleblowers; and the promotion of the very officials who were responsible for the supposed failures of September 11th. For many, the 9/11 cover-up itself became the smoking gun pointing to wrongdoing: the untenable excuses of massive serial incompetence; the endless coincidences; the insulting fairy tale that âno one could have imagined planes as weaponsâ; the omission and suppression of any evidence contradicting the official story.
the same happened in Germany during the late 30`s...........the true cost of life appeared in the death camps much later.>>>>>>>>>>we have FEMA camps today>>>>sounds nice and cosy don't they [video=youtube;dUWByt813fA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dUWByt813fA[/video]
So that would be no real evidence at all then. If 9/11 was this massive cover up involving thousands of people don't you think some would have come forward by now?
Interesting?....and more loony. Dragon's cut n' paste keys are working overtime. For every 1,000 engineers who say it was a demolition you'll find 10 times as many who will say the opposite. Thing is they don't put up videos on YouTube. Just look at the names on the various channels that host those clips. Objective? Hardly. As for those who benefitted from 9/11, well this has always been the case. Construction and engineering firms from the West benefitted hugely by rebuilding Germany & Japan after WWII. Doesn't mean that WWII was planned by the U.S / U.K does it? Oh no....what have I done. Cue the loonies!!!
That would be what we call "Common sense" KJ, something conspiracy theorists lack in abundance. - They claim proof, but have nothing but words. - They still haven't answered the question about Bowing, why? Cos there is no answer. - They still haven't properly accounted for the thousands of people who would have to have known, and never come forward, are they that naive to think they could have kept this **** a secret? We are not talking an assassination of a president, we are on about a huge scale attack, killing thousands of their own. - Dragon himself has gone on about how poor the defence system was, yet goes on to say there was proof the 4th was shot down. So what was it, defence not working intentionally, or defence working, but not as hoped, possibly because no matter how much practice, getting it right the moment it happens is all about human error, or mis communication, or panicking. I mean the confusion is something that plays its part, I mean there is a part in that video where the guy is talking about flight 11, yet admits he is confused, **** happens in the worst of situations, these people are not trained to deal with such things, they are regular joe's who are there to control the airs, they are not military personnel, they are not going to be on top form the moment this happens. You have to be thick to think otherwise. - They cannot explain the lack of explosions on WTC, so they use thermite as a reason - But then cannot explain the lack of molten iron. - Nor can they explain why the demolition was not damaged by the planes impact - The building collapses perfect, but even controlled demolitions don't do such things. - The only building that is somewhat hard to explain is WT7, but then could that possibly be due to the fact it was built above a power station, so of all the building surrounding it, had the weakest foundations because of that? Now that's not fact remember, that's an idea, something conspiracy theorists fail to realise, half of their "FACTS" are nothing short of an idea that they believe, but have very little if anything to back it up other than words.
the president of the USA plays nothing but a managerial role for the bilderberg group, as does the uk pm and many other European leaders. wiki bilderberg attendees, every leader going back roughly 20 yrs has attended then come to power in the us and uk. it's not a case of the American govt being responsible, they are, but only in the sense that they are the "face" of the bilderberg agenda. our leaders are nothing but manager's taking orders, libs, Tory's, labour are all the same animal taking the same orders from the same "boss", that's why no matter who is in power the "agenda" won't change. Obama's entire administration are ex wall street. just follow the money really.
I agree, swans. Thing is when you come at it from a position of already distrusting the powers that be and any sort of "official line" you're bound to seize on anything that suggests a conspiracy even if there's an alternative (and probably more humdrum) explanation. I was geninely objective when I began my reading on the subject many years ago. I was more than prepared to believe that Bush and his cronies were behind it. In all that time I've yet to be convinced by any truly obective evidence that was the case. On You Tube all I see is theories put up by those with an agenda, including some who say that it was military planes that hit the towers (as mentioned above). It's ridiculous, and furthermore downright insulting to those passengers & crew who were murdered. As you say what on earth happened to those people if that was the case? I recall one of them was David Angel, one of the writers of Frasier. They made one episode as a tribute to him. A real person with a real job, real friends and a real family. And there were many more. Calling those who think the same as me "sheep" when we've probably been far more objective than those in their camp is out of order.
Still lovin this thread, there is nothing on TV tonight till MOD, family pack of minstrels, bucket of popcorn and then the crazies fantasising. Hopefully they will have a few drinks tonight and really go overboard, top thread this almost as good as the prepper sites or TEOTWAWKI sites. Beats game of thrones this!
"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department (FDNY)
FFS take no notice of the looney brigade or you will make yourself duller than them.. It was a terrorist attack end off...
Some theories claim that there were even no planes involved and that they were edited by news organisations etc to make it look as if the explosions were caused by planes flying into them. I wonder how these theorists explain the numerous independent footage that was taken of the planes colliding with the towers by people around the TT and those who recorded the second plane crash from their own apartments etc.
There are plenty of real people with real jobs calling for a new investigation, many who have lost loved ones Knackered, so get of your sanctimonious claptrap horse, and if your going to debate, then leave it out! Popcorn at the ready for some on here!................ please log in to view this image
