I suggest anyone that has contributed to this thread, regardless of view, watch fully the Video from the Structural engineers and scientific community, that aber has put up, then come back and say it was Bin laden! AE911Truth Experts Speak Out, Here's the Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4&feature=player_embedded No one on this thread is a structural engineer, not even the Knackered one, so do yourselves all a favour, and educate your ignorance, and watch the video from the experts!............. PS: It's my view that the destruction of all three towers, was as a result of a highly organised and military planned demolition exercise, that only the US Military could have achieved, now go figure!
its incredible people still follow the process of voting and after all the lies of the years and all..........during my time ive seen workers attacked by police and police with no numbers for identification>>>>>>ive seen them cover up a **** ring that ran through the top end of britains entertainment industry and catholic churches, the Wrexham childrens home is another shocker.....ordering kids like we would a fking kebab >>>>>>ive seen them cover up the Hillsborough disaster even letting the press make false claims 2 damn the victims and fellow fans(what was it now raping and robbing the dead) >>>ive seen them cover up the expenses fraud>>>>>ive seen them lie about inhaling cannabis>>>>>>>>ive seen them lie about findings by scientists who gave an honest report on drugs classifications>>>>>>ive seen them lie us into wars>>>>>>>>do you really expect people with half a brain 2 keep taking in this crap they feed us.......shame on you for not thinking!!! get this fking monopoly of a politics system brought down>>>>>>>stop voting lads these lot speaking on our behalf havnt a clue about or lives or how hard it is these days just 2 pay the fking bills(they never need worry about that trivial stuff like that hey)>>>>we have cancer ragging in the poorer parts of the uk(yes that us fking south wales) and no fkr gives a toss>>>>we are as they say just stats on the graph. WE COULD HAVE A BETTER LIFE IF WE ALL BELIEVED IN TRUE DEMOCRACY......an honest and transparent one is all we ask......surely that is our true right as human beings. these are our fking puppet muppets [video=youtube;vJrOgLUdHEY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vJrOgLUdHEY[/video]
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Why would the American Government destroy all the evidence of a major supposed terrorist crime scene? What was the agenda of the US Government in murdering 3000 of it's own people? What was behind all this? Iraq? Afghanistan? what's to be gained? You had better believe that Britain and America a truly demonic, otherwise you'll be their next victim, these are two Goverments that have absalute power today, and we all know absalute power corrupts absalutely, they have clearly gone beyond all moral sense!........................
Surely you mean Butcher Harris You are aware of remote control, you see the use of drones and the fact that they can put a missile through a keyhole let alone a modern plane into a building. The rubble has been conveniently shipped off to China for the exact reason of preventing examination as the rubble could have proven true or debunked any so called conspiracy theory. . What is a fact and what we can work with is building 7. It was 100% demolished, and confirmed by over 2000 US architects and Engineers as a demolition job. These people are currently working professionals, not tinfoil hat wearing loonies, these are the top people in a profession and they are American. This is backed up by Firefighter statements of explosions in the basements and other locations not related to the aircraft impacts. It takes weeks to wire up a building for a pull like that to fall into it's own footprint. These are solid facts, glaring inaccuracies of the official account that cannot be explained away by conspiracy theory. So don't bother wasting time talking about pilot skills which are totally open to debate and debunk from either side, the people killed in that section of the pentagon and in the towers and what departments were there and what they were working on are all facts.
How do you cater for the "no noise" of a controlled demolition, or was it done using magic fairy dust? Or no smoke from floors below of explosions (and don't give me the tiny puffs of smoke coming from the odd window. I mean like all controlled demolitions, there are huge explosions that can BE SEEN. Which is not apparent in the WTC collapse. Go find me a controlled demolition that starts from the top like on the WTC skyscrapers. They tend to start from the bottom, or a few stories off the ground, not a few stories from the top. Go find me a controlled demolition that has no floor to floor explosions like WTC. Go find me a controlled demolition that comes down perfectly straight, they tend to come down lop sided. Not flat collapses, which is a collapse due to the massive weight above collapsing each floor, thats the difference below the WTC collapse,m and a controlled demolition collapse. Try to explain why there was photographic evidence of "bowing" if the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition, as if a controlled demolition, three would be no "bowing" of the building. You then have the whole "thermite" conspiracy, but do you know how much thermite would have been needed to bring down that building, enough that you would have seen the whole thing glowing fooking orange. And molten iron pouring out of the floors. Now some claim that this was seen in one of the corners, now yes a molten liquid was seen pooring out of a corner, but a) this was not enough to have been thermite being used to bring it down, and b) they believe this was the aluminium, not thermite. Just because they are supposed structural engineers, doesn't mean they are not wierdo's who sit at home with foil hats
Go watch the video, before criticising structural engineers, your ignorance is staggering! and there were thousands of people who heard the explosions, what's your point, and whats your PHD?..........................
My ignorance, thats laughable coming from you, the conspiracy theorist. So then, seeing as you yourself said earlier in the thread the the WTC was hit by military planes, and not commercial airliners. Right, fair point, so explain to me why the airline has never claimed it wasn't their plane. What happened to the actual plane that was "supposed to have" hit the WTC, did it magically disappear, was it renumbered, who renumbered it, why haven't they denied it. What happened to the people that were supposed to be on the plane, they boarded these planes right? Where are they to say they are alive? What about all the families of those on board, were they all fabricated too, are they all part of the conspiracy? What about all the airport staff who helped them aboard the planes? What happened to them once they were aboard? To kill someone off, you either have to have a person to kill off, or fabricate the grieving families, so which did they do, make random people up and create fake families, or kill people off? Thats just the tip of the iceberg buddy, to do something like that take hundreds and thousands of people, but where are they now, why haven't they come forward, the only people denying it are people that were not involved, they just make claims. So how have they kept it such a secret. Am sorry but a small group of best friends couldn't keep a pregnancy a secret, how the **** you expect hundreds upon thousands to not spill the beans by now? Or do you reckon they are killed off before they get the chance? There are so many holes in your ideas, it is you who is completely and utterly ignorant. What about the Pentagon, are you one who believes that it was a missile? If so, did you ignore all the witness statements who claimed it was a plane? As not one witness claimed it was a missile.
Just had a read PGF and very interesting, however, I want to draw your attention to the first point I'm sure his insurance covered much more than air-plane collision, such as a big payout if it was bombed again too, it had already been a terrorist target in the past, so who would be foolish enough not to take insurance out. It was already discussed internally that they believed the next attack was going to come from the air, so it makes sense to get air-plane collision cover. But as per the usual avenues of conspiracy theorists, they take the little bits they want, and use it to boost their claims. No-one is going to say he didn't have that sort of cover, but the problem is, that this passage makes out it was only air-plane cover that was there for a huge payout, , no other cover taken out, which is very misleading, which makes the foil hat wearers think they are onto something. And its misleading statements such as that, which causes people to doubt the stories. ------------------------------------------------------------------ As for that video, the first handful who spoke, only 2 were MEng (Post Grad courses), the rest never announced a title, or were BEng (Undergrad course), so how much do they actually know? Other than the MEng members, the rest could be very far down the pecking order and part of a 100 man team in structural design, and are using their qualification to make out they know what they are talking about. There is then also an issue of what their Engineering Qualification is in, I mean one Uni I looked at myself for Engineering courses had multiple, one for example is Environmental Technologies, how would environmental tech make them knowledgeable on what they are talking about in this video of a building collapse, are they actually qualified to talk about what they are talking about, or using their title to make their opinion more noticeable. I mean these same conspiracy theorists dismiss NISTS report, because of this that and the other, but take the word of random "engineers" because they have fancy titles, that doesn't exactly mean they actually know what they are talkign about, or in fact are not a bit loopy. I mean Tesla was a fantastic engineer, but he wasn't all there either was he. Anyway as for WT7, which it seems that video was mainly about, I don't know much about that, but have heard it was built above a power-station, which alone caused issues with the build plans, who knows if that became a weakness in its design. I am only guessing here (pretty much what conspiracy theorists do, but instead of admitting that, they make it out as fact) anyhow, back to my guess work. Beign above the power station and a known possibly design issue, who knows what problems occured when 2 110 storey building smashed into the ground, wonder what ground shaking occurred, and what extra issue's that put ontop of the already known issue of being built on top of the power station? Could the building footprint have become unstable, and it all gave it through the ground stress that occured with the initial twin towers collapsing, who knows, I don't.
Do you in any way shape or form understand the power to subvert the truth? Do you have any Idea of the power at the top? now go figure how easy it would be to create the whole incident, the CIA have terrorist operatives for doing such things, and have done for years, they don't only infiltrate terrorist groups any more, the create situations to achieve their goals. But even they cannot count on every eventuality, and that's why that movie from the academic world, consisting of Structural engineers, Demolition experts, Scientist, etc, etc, are all calling for a new investigation, rather than the government cover up they got. Are you saying you know better than all these academic experts, many of them at the top of the field? rather than asking silly questions go view the video evidence and digest it, rather than trying to discredit their qualifications, otherwise your looking daft!............
I'm not saying its right or wrong swan. Personally I would prefer to believe that 9/11 was a straightforward terrorist attack - it may well have been. But life isn't always as simple as that. Big businesses with multi-billion/trillion pound interests normally decide when/where wars are fought - and are willing to set off a chain of events to trigger one. Our very own Mark Thatcher was (allegedly) caught up in a plot to form a coup in an East African country in order to access the oil reserves. He's small fry compared to some of the huge USA corporations. No one on this thread is right or wrong - because we simply don't know, and probably will never be in a position to know. If it was an "inside job" it would have had to have been a huge conspiracy, possibly concealed by the fact that there may have been many cells acting independently which came together on the day to achieve the desired effect. Who knows? But as long as there exists people with huge economic/political/religious interests as highlighted on that list - then you have to consider every possibility. So to conclude that people are "loonies" as some have labelled others on this thread, for considering the possibility of "dark forces", is frankly absurd.
I dunno, but are you saying you know more than those who agreed with the results? The report may not be 100% accurate, but then the reasons for the twin towers collapsing was pretty much best guesses. Same as any crash investigations, in most cases its best guesses based on evidence they can find, its not always 100% accurate, are they all conspiracies too? But based on the FACTS that there are images of "bowing" of the building, which is not a "controlled demolition" trait now is it, then their reasoning is plausible. But it doesn't mean everyone will agree, but that doesn't make it a conspiracy, and you would be an idiot if you think it does. The one they seem concerned about mostly is WT7, that's pretty much the biggest mystery here, and they are using that mystery to claim the Twin Towers was a mystery. And that's pathetic.
They say you can take the horse to the trough, but you can't make him drink, the official report was nothing short of a joke! So if you think that Buildings that were designed to take impact of Boeing 747 would collapse like a pack of cards with such speed though 80% of the building that was untouched was still standing, then really you do not understand the science and engineering of such structures, that's without starting on the WT7 that no plane hit, but collapsed perfectly to the Demolition plan, even the top explosive and demolition experts in the video, could come to no other conclusion, of how those buildings collapsed. I suppose some of us see through the western governments, and some simply cannot grasp, the size of this issue, so prefer to deny the laws of physics and science!.................
swan you see who has caused most of the suffering after the attacks tho yeah. I found something for you, that may be of interested [video=youtube;f6WSDxErgBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f6WSDxErgBE[/video]
Interesting, but.........where are the passengers, they didn't hit the WTC according to that? Where are the planes now? Someone must have seen them, the passengers all killed elsewhere? In which case why use a drone, why not just fly the plane into the building. Are they holding them prisoner somewhere? How do you suppose they hold 100's of passengers for so long without anyone coming forward. What happened to them all, magically disappear into thin air.
Who says they were real in the first place? How many times has the US establishment murdered it's own Presidents and key figures?
Ok, lets pretend that is the case, that the passengers aren't real, what about all the families of the victims, were they planted too? This conspiracy just grows and grows don't it, how many people do we have now that's part of the conspiracy........I mean, fake families, and it doesn't just end there. Airport personnel who would have been able to say no-one boarded the flight, but then was the flight real? So now we have Air Traffic Controllers who are in on it all....will it ever end..... The number of conspirators is starting to rise, this rise then makes it harder for secrets to be kept under wraps.
