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Who Should Manage Wales?

Discussion in 'Cardiff City' started by Hilts24, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    another manager won't change things with wales until we are run properly by the FAW. we can't keep letting clubs tell us they will not release our players and make up fictitious injuries that the FAW idiots accept as true. we should follow englands example and make the said player see our medical staff and let them decide if he can play or not. The FAW let clubs walk all over us because we are a small nation and we have some of the best players in the world to chose from. Its very easy to blame the manager but until he is backed to the hilt by the FAW then we will never have the players released that are good enough to progress.....
     
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  2. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Tony Pulis should get the job.
     
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  3. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

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    Just seen that James Collins refused to join the Wales squad. He was on standby but when Williams was out due to suspension Collins was called up. He refused as he was "psychologically upset" by not being in the original squad.

    What a tool!
     
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  4. Welshman

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    He should never play for Wales again.
     
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  5. taffthefish

    taffthefish Well-Known Member

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    Has Collins comented publiclly ? I think Coleman is the tool for bringing this into the public arena to deflect criticism on the crap job he is making of it.
     
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  6. swans-m

    swans-m Well-Known Member

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    Why not? Coleman doesn't owe Collins anything and if he has outright refused to play for his country when he was obviously needed, then we have the right to know.
     
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  7. snlk/poksnbn

    snlk/poksnbn Active Member

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    I very much doubt that would bother him while the current regime remain. Can't say I blame him.
     
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  8. taffthefish

    taffthefish Well-Known Member

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    Something called man-management, a skill Coleman clearly lacks. If someone is not in the right frame of mind shouldn't Coleman, as a manager, get to the bottom of it instead of revealing all in the press? The underlying reason could have more than a can't be bothered attitude.
     
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  9. isawronnymoorescore

    isawronnymoorescore Well-Known Member

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    Sack coleman now, he is useless, does not come across well, the players cannot play to his tictacs which is obvious, we need someone new at the end of the season. Bellers or Pulis for me
     
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  10. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

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    No sympathy with Collins if this is true. It appears he gave a pathetic excuse and was simply ejecting Edward the Bear from the perambulator because he wasn't in the original squad.

    Whether Coleman used this to deflect criticism from himself or not is not relevant as Collins let down his country when needed. No slight on Ben Davies but he had to play centre back, a position he had not previously played in, in a World Cup Qualifier. Hardly ideal.
     
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  11. swans-m

    swans-m Well-Known Member

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    Coleman is an international manager not a club manager. If it was a club that the player had a contract to then fair enough. But someone refusing to play for their country because they were not first choice, well why should't he tell the public? He said he would not play and gave a reason why he wouldn't, there is nothing more to get to the bottom of. If Coleman was outright lieing then I'd imagine Collins would have something to say about it. Yet he hasn't made a sound. Its clear where his loyalties lie, and that is not with his country.
     
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  12. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

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    True Swans-m but if Coleman stays there is a very real risk of us going back to the dark days (although it could be argued that today after the last few results is pretty dark already) of Toshack's last reign when a whole host of the better (if older) players refused to play for Wales under him.

    Best to get someone in now who can rally the players and get them on his side before the next Euro qualifiers in 2014/5.
     
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  13. swans-m

    swans-m Well-Known Member

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    I want to give Coleman a chance as hes still not been able to put out his best 11 yet from his 18 months in charge. But the way things have been going and morale must be very low right now, i dont think it will make a difference.
    I would have liked to see how we would have performed given he had his best 11 from the start, but unfortunately for every one that wasn't the case.
    But I genuinely don't think Pulis is the way to go. Nor Bellamy or Giggs, i think we need an experienced head in there that can base our style of play around our best players.
    As i cant think of any welsh managers that fit the bill I would probably look abroad. But even thats a task in its own as who would want to manage us!
     
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  14. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

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    Depends on the money on offer I suppose.
     
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  15. ccfcremotesupport

    ccfcremotesupport Well-Known Member

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    even if Coleman stays in the short term, offering him a new contract isn't the way to go. While taking player unavailability into account, leading us to the bottom of the group table shouldn't warrant a new contract.
     
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  16. hampshire Blue

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    I don't think there is a Welsh manager who would improve the current results. We need to look further afield.

    Coleman clearly not up to it, Pulis would have us playing football from the seventies and Giggs would only be available for half the games, if his playing record is anything to go by.
     
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  17. taffthefish

    taffthefish Well-Known Member

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    Coleman would have been better keeping his mouth shut on the reasons why a player has not tipped up. Collins may have other issues going on that Coleman may not be aware of. To come out in public about the reason Collins gave is low. All he needed to say was "Collins asked not to be considered for the game" then in future he could call on him if need be or in private tell Collins he will not be picked again. I am not saying Coleman is lieing, I'm saying he is a **** manager and his media skills are shocking. Nothing to do with him being an International "manager" or Collins' employment contract. Collins has previously elected not to join the squad citing personal reasons and was able to be selected after he had dealt with them.
     
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  18. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    for those slagging coleman off they cant see further than the result. How do you expect any manager let alone coleman put a team of players onto the pitch that some are not international player standard and would never get into anyone else's team and expect them to win. ...you need to start looking at the top in the FAW and sack them rather than expect coleman to fit a square peg into a round hole.....pulis or any other top manager would not be able to work under the FAW as it is. forget blaming coleman even if he is not your preference of manager and blame the real reason why we are crap...

    coleman is spot on in the collins incident....I hope he never gets a chance to play for wales ever again..
     
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  19. Hilts24

    Hilts24 Well-Known Member

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    No hes not spot on.

    Collins should never have been left out in the 1st place.

    A regular PL starter.

    Coleman probably forgot to pick him just as he forgot his passport.

    Weve limited choice of players as you say Dai - but he leaves Collins out. Meanwhile he calls up a player who has played 1 league game for Cardiff.

    Sam Ricketts before Collins.????????

    Sorry - bring in Pulis.

    I dont blame Collins at all. A poor Welsh team and lesser players selected before him he cant have been happy.
     
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  20. ProjectVRD

    ProjectVRD Well-Known Member

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    Brian Flynn should be well ahead of Pulis. Under Flynn Wales U21 finished 1st then 2nd in qualifying groups, meaning his performance was the same as what England managed in the same period with their much, much, much bigger pool of players.

    When he made the Wales U21s finish first we lost in the Play Off against England 5-4 (3-2, 2-2) and the tie could have gone either way. This man can motivate players, get them punching above their weight and can handle the brighter stars (such as J. Williams, B. Davies and N. Taylor) and our senior players like Ramsey and Bale already know him well as he was part of the setup, they know exactly what he did for them and the Swansea players will be quick to remind them he was the man brought in to save the Swans against all odds and was successful in his aim.

    Pulis? No way. Flynn for me. He is also known for taking no crap and will tell clubs he owes them no respect and if they claim a player is unfit he will not think twice about telling them his medical team will pass judgement on it.
     
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