I think something is definitely not right with the actual story but what plays massively into their favour is that anyone thinking it might be a conspiracy is labelled an idiot by sheep. Even if it is a simple terrorist attack it is worth questioning anything that the government says. God knows they have lied to the masses on countless occasions so questioning things shouldn't make you an idiot. It should almost be a natural reaction. I am convinced the U.S government "allowed" it to happen, possibly facilitated things.
So the media got its facts wrong Shock horror big surprise there ! I don't think any of us were privy to the full facts of what really happened and it may not be revealed for a very long time if ever ! what truly went on ? So an open mind is in order until the case is closed.
Er...well actually it looks like a a very blurred video of a possibly pointy object hitting a building. Could be a missile. Could also be the nose of big plane. Call that proof? Nah. Not for me. At least 45 people saw speciifically a "plane" hit the Pentagon. As many as 23 (at least) specifically saw an "American Airlines plane" hit the Pentagon. The number that saw a "missile" hit the Pentagon? A big fat zero. Maybe AA use missiles complete with their own livery on the tailfins. Don't think so. http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/witnesses.html There is therefore "overwhelming support" for the assertion that a large passenger aircraft crashed into the Pentagon. Conspiracy theorists seem unmoved by the facts. Have to say NJ you're not doing a good job of being an impartial arbiter and you've pretty much nailed your colours to the mast. Wanna switch sides?
After watching a few of these video's, i found one interesting comment. Makes you think huh And Norway as for your questions, I haven't answered, because I do not know. I am not going to sit here and explain why WT7 came down so evenly, although I could point you to the 17 minute video I posted earlier and ask you to point out 1 that comes down quite so cleanly, cos they never do. The second tower certainly looks straight down, but south tower was nothing like that though. the south tower buckled to one side, there was no even down movement before it went off to one side, it buckled 1 side and thats what caused it to come down. That put pressure on the rest of the structure which you can hear in other video's each floor collapsing on its way down. But yeah, thermite......thats laughable in itself, if that was used the tower would have come down a hell of a lot sooner, do you not think the vast temperatures of the fire that was caused by the plane would have set the thermite off, from the moment the building was set alight. and seeing as that burns pretty rapidly, how can you explain the tower lasting as long as it did?
They all have aberdude syndrome, you know, the big bad government its all a conspiracy. I'm not saying a government is perfect, or that they didn't use 9/11 to their advantage, but a grand scale inside job, that hundreds even thousands would have had to have been privvy too, and expect them all to keep quiet? Laughable.
http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html same site (interesting ) and all I asked is if it looked like a plane to you, as to me it doesnt. anyway once the TVs are scanning and recording people at home and they put rfid chips in all newborns and bung any freethinkers in holding camps you will know I was right lol
If you like conspiracy theories check this guy out and his other vids some good ponts but mostly hillarious stuff. [video=youtube_share;av63AnOqlko]http://youtu.be/av63AnOqlko[/video]
how is bilderberg a conspiracy ? this years was in watford, interesting thing about those meetings are how many attendees particularly from the u.s an uk went to a meeting then went on to become pm/president.
"How can a building that big made from steel and concrete perfectly fall "due to fire" after about 20 mins ? ever seen what happened to a similar building that caught fire in Madrid ? well, it burnt for about 3 days and was still standing after it burnt out! the world trade centre is the only building of that type ever to collapse because of fire. My heart breaks for all those innocent people who have lost their lives in 9/11 and subsequent apparent terrorist attacks elsewhere, something doesn't quite add up for me though, I have always feared that innocent people are being killed to serve the power of a few people that are dictating world policy." Oh, not this conspiracy bollocks please...this is one of the most tiring discussions out there and something that people have applied in hindsight because of the American foreign policy response. For one thing your first paragraph completely fails to mention that a sizeable airliner crashed into each building at significant speed and both hit on a banking angle which worsened the spread of the damage. Crucial support elements of the upper levels of the building were comprimised and the heat from the fire which included a ton of jet fuel fried much of the interior of the building. As for the small hole in the Pentagon and the lack of much wreckage at the field crash of the fourth plane, both can be explained by the way a plane disintegrates on collison at high speed. Iraq was obviously a mistake (not about oil as too many on the left think though, other nefarious reasons at work), Afghanistan was more complicated and a more sustained ground operation in 2001 might have succeeded but unfortunately it never materialised and we've ended up letting the Taliban get their act together and now they just have to wait for us to piss off. But despite this, there can be no doubt about 9/11. It was a dreadful terrorist assault that killed thousands and the claims that the US government were involved are yet to be sufficiently sustained by anyone with any academic credibility and whatnot. It's absurd that the US would attack a symbol of its own power and intentionally take steps that would harm its global position just to "get oil in Iraq" - popular opinion on the matter is so ill informed its appalling. What is less clear cut is the merit of the US and our own reaction to it.
The twin towers are the only buildings to be hit by large passenger aircraft at 500 mph. There are no other comparable incidents.
Exactly my point. People don't appreciate just how much damage that'll do to two rigid skyscrapers without the widest floor area and a structure that is susceptible to extreme heat. A passenger jet with most of its fuel hitting a building is comparable to a guided munition of significant size...both will mess up any building that isn't a lot "thicker" than the WTC, so to speak. The only incident on 9/11 that merits some investigation in this regard IMO has always been Tower 7, but even then the only remotely credible theory is that the building was rigged to go in case there was a major attack on it as it had CIA offices. And even then the building had been evacuated, so while it's an interesting theory, it's not particularly controversial/bad. EDIT - Another thing I meant to point out in my last post actually was that bin laden an al qeada played it perfectley...they knew they could provoke the US to lash out at a volatile region without taking time to think it through, and it worked. It was a well calculated act of terrorism that the US, UK, the rest of Europe, the middle east and even much of northern africa will pay for, for decades. Don't forget asia as well (eg. taliban in southwest china)
Is that some sort of counterargument? I'm disappointed you buy into this bollocks by the way NJ, I mean you were flat out denying clear evidence on the last page.
who is this nj ? lol 2nd time today and my point was only that we see what we want to see, I see many cracks in the official story and you don't and anyone without that opinion is either crazy,stupid,wearing a tin foil hat and or vegetarian and doesn't wash....probably lol I'm still to see any solid evidence that makes me believe it was some nutjobs acting alone, the passports, the clearing of debris from all sites before any investigation, the bs official report, the resulting war on terror etc is enough for me to question the media/government version of what took place is all. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/official/columns.html
I think that's the point. There isn't clear evidence,everything is debatable ,thousands of victims families are not happy with the outcome , I know im playing devils advocate here but I also believe that to just accept the official story with out questioning is a bad path to go down. none of you people have questioned the other incidents that happened in which the USA entered the 2nd world war and Vietnam, all im saying is that the US government have form for that kind of thing and have done it in the past. As for denying evidence,if you look at the picture cherry it falls down first then kicks off to the side then falls downwards again, the other two fall straight down
[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tkQZrAxluYY[/video] Russia today reports that 9/11 was an inside job.
You're the most one-sided devils' advocate I've ever seen NJ (that's Norway Jack, the creator of this thread, Kops so pay attention). Cherry: "Another thing I meant to point out in my last post actually was that bin laden an al qeada played it perfectley...they knew they could provoke the US to lash out at a volatile region without taking time to think it through, and it worked." ..and even more clever was the fact that it was a win win for the terrorists. Striking out at America's heart whilst the U.S gets rid of a guy who had nothing to do with the attack in the first place and was Al Qaeda's sworn enemy - Saddam. Absolutely brilliant. Kops: "I'm still to see any solid evidence that makes me believe it was some nutjobs acting alone, the passports, the clearing of debris from all sites before any investigation, the bs official report, the resulting war on terror etc is enough for me to question the media/government version of what took place is all." Firstly, nobody has ever said they were 'nut jobs acting alone'. They were intelligent, religiously-motivated terrorists who had backing and training. The debris was cleared over time in fact, but had to be cleared asap as the NYC attack in particular would have disrupted Wall Street - the financial epicentre of the U.S economy (and some would say the whole world). Leaving that mess lying around for any great length of time was never going to happen. However, there was still a thorough forensic investigation despite thousands of eye witnesses and millions on TV seeing exactly what happened - two planes flew into the towers and they collapsed. The more extreme conspiracy theorists even say that didn't happen either. They are the nut-jobs.
