Oh well if you don't like it don't read it, plenty other threads to have a bash on but thanks for the input . I agree normally about things going on general chat but it is a painfully slow week and sometimes a bit of debate off topic can stimulate others such as yourself to post some football content
As NJ says, if you don't like a topic, don't contribute. No biggie. We have a well established history of posting non-footie stuff when it's quiet. As for us 'itching' to go into Syria since the war started, the facts contradict that don't they? Thousands and thousands killed in a bloody civil war and rightly or wrongly the West hasn't intervened at all. When given the opportunity most MPs voted against a limited strike. Itching? Hardly. Not one for conspiracy theories either Dai, and whereas a 9/11 conspiracy would have been monumental and very difficult to puull off, I do think that Bush the Warmonger was behind the Iraq war because it suited American interests and his political aims - and that one didn't take much conspiring to achieve as it turned out. Al Qaeda and Saddam were sworn enemies - Bin Laden must have pissed himself at that one too. Bush was instrumental in postulating the rubbish about WMDs and that's pretty much established as a big fat lie (remember Colin Powell?). We went along with it (blame Blair) and that's why I agree with NJ there was something definitely fishy about David Kelly's death. Like I said, not one for conspiracy theories myself.
I was very happy to see that Cameron was out voted on strikes in Syria, maybe this means that people have woken up to "sexed up dossiers" and "wmd" and now tend not believe what they arebeing told, there are of course decent members of parliament out there too and maybe all the conspiracy stuff about the likes of 9/11 etc have served to open peoples minds as to the fact its possible there is more than one agenda on the table with global powers and things arnt always what they seem ?? Look at the Taylor report and the mess that Hillsborough has brought. The whole thing turned out to be a lie ! we were all lied to , look at Leverson inquiry, and what was going on there, sons and daughters of Police chiefs given top jobs in Newscorp etc,etc . lies,sleeze,fruad,deception all proven in front of a court of law ! Is it such a leap to make(conspiracys) when we have seen how corrupt our own government and estbablishment are ?
Norway don't believe all this we will run out of oil rubbish and we won't be able to function....Its rubbish mate and just an excuse for the west's war mongers to use for their own ends. us and america sell them weapons and when they use them we ask why....there is oil all over the world not just the east and i find its wearing thin now that we use the term " its all about the oil" as an excuse why we have to interfere in the east's problems...
Fair play that is by far the most left field statement ever typed on 606..ever !! .. You don't understand so let me educate you, Policy is to use other peoples natural resources before using our own,its not that we don't have our own Oil,we have plenty of it but you use other peoples first so you can then charge them extortionate rates when they need to use ours in the future,if we decide we want to sell it them.
Talking of conspiracy theories I actually believe that the oil companies conspire on their product and its price. Technology has advanced so much that we are able to make synthetic materials to replace oil yet nobody seems to question this. Electric cars are doable, people! It's just the lack of will and the fact there's too much money to be made in oil. When the Saudis are no longer needed by the world (whenever that may be) that place will turn back to the stone age. I said for years that the banks conspired on rate setting and lo and behold we had the Libor scandal. Utility companies price fix between them as do the big supermarkets. Just my view. But those sort of conspiracies are very believable!
We don't even need to go to synthetics, Audi developed a steam engine that was as good as anything we have today! Nicola Tesla had the idea of using the ionspere to give everybody wireless electricity,he actually did it too,the theory is proven and was used . He died broke but his plans were used as a weapon instead, called HAARP weather manipulation experiment, if you control the conditions in which war is fought you control the war ! That's for another quiet time on the board though!...
Everything is a joint venture with Oil companies anyway, so fixing the price happens indirectly at least. most projects are split 3 ways it splits the costs and splits the profit, everyones a winner ..apart from Dai that thinks its just about selling a few weapons to the east !
New world order init The all knowing eye that's the all knowing EYE by the way and not the all knowing Dai!..
Either Daiswan is the voice of reason in a thread or I have fallen into a parallel universe. Bit confused here.
I think people only need to look at the images from Lockerbie to see what devastation an aircraft can cause. It's amazing that the twin towers stood for as long has they did with the weight and fuel load on top of it, let alone that it had already destroyed the exterior structure in flying through it like a cheese grater. Yes, governments are going to attach their own propaganda purposes to it. I wouldn't trust the American and British governments as far as I could throw them and I'd include the British media with that. But as far as any conspiracy with the structure of those buildings go, they disappeared because of the weigh and impact of a bloody great aircraft on top of them. So yes it was a tragic act of terrorism that changed the world and peoples civil liberties as a bi product, that latter being the only conspiracy in giving the governments an excuse to finally implement big brother.
This I don't buy the conspiracy nonsense either, but I do find the fact that people are willing to hand over their civil rights on a plate with no questions asked very disturping. The Patriot Act and whatnot. Whenver I raise concern about this, people simply reply: "well I have nothing to hide" which leads me to believe that the world is populated by morons and that noone knows their history. We had a debate program in Denmark after the police arrested a couple of terroists who were plotting to attack Jyllands Posten (the newspaper that printed the infamous Muhamed drawings). The politicians all said it was a victory of the new anti-terror laws but when the host turned to the head of PET (the danish central agency) he said that the new laws were completely useless and that they had caught them simply using 'old' tools. Not only are people happily giving away their rights but they get absolutely nothing in return. That makes me sad.
I don't think Bush could mastermind his way out of a paper bag. I also don't think I'm a sheep. But he definitely took advantage of the situation post 9/11, lashing out at a pantomine villain so he could be seen as a 'strong' President'. His aides must have been screaming "We have to be seen to do something. Anything!!" They forgot that Saddam was despised by Al Qaeda in equal measure and the whole venture was complete folly. Look at the mess Iraq is in now, and look at what it cost in lives. Dictators may be distasteful and brutal but they keep a tight lid on sectarianism, and I'm not convinced democracy is right for many countries. I suppose it could be said that when we have such intrusion into our private lives, the monitoring of our private communications, time-consuming multiple checks at airports (oh joy when I go to Gatwick next week) and so on, the terrorists have already won. The freedoms that generations of our people have fought wars for have been drastically eroded.
