Eoin Morgan the Irish player playing for England had served a 4 year qualification period playing on the English County scene. Ireland doesnt have Test status so you cant blame any Irish player coming over and playing for England. Its getting a bit crazy now as Australia have a young player called Sam Robson who would probably have played against England this summer as hes miles better than most of their batting line up. However as hes been playing for Middlesex it appears hes declined the Australian team in preference to playing for England when he qualifies which I believe is next summer. On the other side though the likes of Robson and Pietersen do at least have 1 English parent. There are members of the Welsh Football team who have neither,
"bringing your own personal views from your small and insignificant worlds" You just can't help yourself can you DPJ? And you say I'm 'uncivil'. For the sake of harmony here I'll let it slide. All we have is personal views. What else is there? Your take that the English and German races are 'Germanic' has a grain of truth historically but you seem to conveniently use this link to dislke both. That's bigotry however you dress it up. In any event if you seriously think that all Welsh are 'pure' Celts then you are very wrong. Even rabid nationalists like you and Mabon can't claim that, and you'll find all sorts in your ancestry if you delve back far enough. My Grandad was a Geordie but you may have to go back further, I don't know. You are no different than your English counterpart in your views. All that separates you is a border invented by men a long time ago and it really doesn't mean a whole hill of beans. You like to think us Welsh are different to our English neighbours but sorry to burst your bubble, we're virtually the same in culture, nature and traits. As stereo said yesterday the U.K is a nation of uneducated chavs and Swansea on a Saturday night is no different to say, Bolton or Luton. All that's different is the accents. Different story in a similar sized city in France or Spain. My life experience in which I've travelled extensively tells me this. And yes, it's my opinion from my own "small and insignificant" world. But it's my opinion nonetheless. On that note I bid you auf wiedersehn .
If you actually study WELSH CULTURE, you will recognise a difference. We also have our own language, another significant difference from the English
There are so many flaws in your argument Knackered, I am simply at a loss, as to where the hell to begin, firstly the Welsh are very different to the English counterpart, and that has been born out by recent scientific genetic studies, your ignorance is staggering on times, and I really beginning to feel it's like 'Educating Rita' so may I direct you to the link below that shows clearly the Welsh are very different from our Germanic friends the English across the bridge!................ BBC Genetic research on the Welsh Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18489735
Try the historical facts, without your bias!.............. Not true! there is more than a grain of truth, you are at it again, trying to water down the over whelming historical evidence. I dislike what the Germanic people have done over the centuries, including the English, but on a personal level I have no issues with a German or his English brother. See the BBC link above regarding your flawed statement, there is no buble to burst, as for us being the same politically, well the historical evidence says completely different to your view, the Welsh didn't oppress the English neither did they start the Empire building, no did they gas the Jews, and no did they sell the toxic ingredients to Syria, for Chemical weapons, that was your Germanic friends, so don't tar the Welsh with that, it would be a fabrication of the truth. But we are not talking of our own little microcosm, and it's absurd to bring that into the debate, as it cannot alter the historical facts, to which you so object, the macrocosm though that makes up the Germanic tribes is what I'm referring to, and the evidence is overwhelming a damning indictment of these nations!............... Sorry to burst your bubble, but the latest Scientific evidence states that the Welsh genetic pool, is by in large untouched!
Phill, have you come across this book? If not, it's a great book detailing Welsh history by the historian R.R.Davies 'The Age of Conquest: Wales 1063-1415: Age of Conquest - Wales, 1063-1415 Vol 2'
By the way Knackered, I noticed you mentioned ancestry in one of your previous posts, I too have checked my ancestry, and our family gene pool was invaded back in 1857, when my great great grandfather, came down from Holywell, North Wales, and married my great, great Grandmother, during the Copper boom in Swansea.
No I haven't Valley though I have done some extensive research of the migration of the Germanic tribes, pre Roman Britain, and particularly post Roman Britain. what I have uncovered is that the english are now trying to rewrite history by saying that the Anglo-Saxon invasion that began about 449 CE when Hengest and Horsa landed in what is now Kent, was not an invasion, but they were Hired as mercenaries by the Celtic leader Vortigan, they came to take land promised them in return for defending the Celts from the Picts? I will look up that book Valley!..................
Anyone that knows me will tell you, that I am far from Nationalistic, matter of fact I appreciate while in one hand we have the wonderful diversity of cultures, which are a blessing to all, but on the other hand see the divisive nature of Nationalism, though I'm not ignorant of some Nations, who have through the centuries dominated, and oppressed other national groups, and the Germanic tribes are without doubt the formost!.................
To say we should have a GB team because Wales isn't good enough on its own is like saying Swansea will never win a major cup so I'll support ManU (As many in the area and many in the Liberty do). It is also the reason why sides like Macedonia beat teams like Wales ... win lose or draw they support their country. Try suggesting to Macedonians they should join into a Yugoslavian to reach the World Cup! I'll visit you in hospital. I'm no nationalist but I'd rather lose in a Welsh shirt than win in another. In terms of a GB team - Apart from Bale from Scotland, NI & Wales who would be in the team that wasn't English? And we have had a GB side - in the Olympics - and quite frankly they were shocking.
Imperialism Imperialism, as defined by the Dictionary of Human Geography, is "an unequal human and territorial relationship, usually in the form of an empire, based on ideas of superiority and practices of dominance, and involving the extension of authority and control of one state or people over another." It is often considered in a negative light, as merely the exploitation of native people in order to enrich a small handful. Lewis Samuel Feuer identifies two major subtypes of imperialism; the first is the "regressive imperialism" identified with pure conquest, unequivocal exploitation, extermination or reductions of undesired peoples, and settlement of desired peoples into those territories, examples being Nazi Germany and the British Empire. The second type identified by Feuer is "progressive imperialism" that is founded upon a cosmopolitan view of humanity, that promotes the spread of civilization to allegedly "backward" societies to elevate living standards and culture in conquered territories, and allowance of a conquered people to assimilate into the imperial society, example being the Roman Empire. Germany From their original homelands in Scandinavia and the far north of Europe, Germanic tribes expanded throughout northern and western Europe in the middle period of classical antiquity, and southern Europe in late antiquity, conquering Celtic and other peoples and forming in 800 the Holy Roman Empire, the first German Empire. However, there was no real systemic continuity from the western Roman Empire to its German successor which famously was "not holy, not Roman, and not an empire", and numerous small states existed in variously autonomous confederation. Although by 1000 Germanic conquest of central, western, and southern Europe west of and including Italy was complete, excluding only Muslim Iberia, but there was little cultural integration and national identity, and "Germany" remained largely a conceptual term referring to an amorphous area of central Europe. - Wikipedia
"People from Wales are genetically relatively distinct, they look different genetically from much of the rest of mainland Britain, and actually people in north Wales look relatively distinct from people in south Wales." The Swansea/Cardiff rivalry explained right there? ^^
The jewish community have no issues with the german people and many now live there, they have never had a problem with the german people it was the Natzi's they hate and there is not many of them in germany anymore...
Isn't it strange though that murderous, raping and pillaging Anglo Saxons have a bad press, whilst murderous, raping and pillaging Vikings are seen in a much better light. No doubt when the Celts migrated to the UK they did a fare bit of murder rape and pillage themselves. What I have noticed though is the Welsh are very tribal, they will give the best of welcome to a stranger but with someone from the next valley there is a bloodbath! Travel 40 miles up the road and there is total war!
Don't mention the War..i mentioned it once but think I got away with it !! ... Well done Dragon, nice to see you putting the untwisted facts out there
Cannot argue with any of that, though it's fair to say that the Viking invasions were never on the Vast scale of the Anglo-Saxon one, people tend to think that it was only these Germanic tribes, but there were many more that most have never heard of, like the Jutes etc...........
