Eddie Hearn: "it's difficult for me to score the fight with an emotional attachment, my gut feeling when I got in the ring was the Beltran had it after a close fight." Ricky Burns: "I knew it was close" Gabriel Montoya (Max Boxing) "I scored the fight 114-113 Beltran". Gareth A Davies "Judge Andre Van Grootenbruel of Belgium had it 115-113 for Beltran, an accurate depiction of the fight." Jim Watt, Alex Arthur had it 2 points to Beltran. Score ONE round the other way and it is a draw. Now I don't think Burns won. I have told you what I think the score was and you pointed out that means **** all. I accept that. But don't try and make out that nobody thought the fight was close because clearly even the people you quote do.
The fight is starting on Sky sports 4 now. Score it and if you come back with more than 2 rounds to Beltran, you can say Burns was "well beaten".
Beltran said it was business that decided the result... if that not corrupt, then I don't know what is.
So the fighter and the High chief (who never scored the fight) think the judges received bribes to return the result the promoters wanted? And this is the belief of all the newspapers and pundits (except nobody can provide a quote to that effect)....in fact everyone in the world except me.... I'm going to go ahead and call that bollocks if you don't mind.
You can call it whatever you want...doesn't stop the fact that loads of people think boxing is corrupt as ****. Ran by the promoters - seems to be what the boxer is saying as well. Some people also think it's not corrupt.
I never saw the fight last night and I've never ever scored a fight either but I believe that boxing is corrupt as ****... Also, going by a lot of fans comments, it appears many think last night was more than just a **** up by the judges and Burns didn't deserve anything from the match.
The GAA was guilty of corruption today - that whistle should have gone 30 seconds earlier and only didn't because the refs are told that if a replay is a possibility they should engineer it so they can make a rake more money. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the judges fix results to go with the boxer from the country with the best viewing figures, TV rights etc.
Anything's possible Dan...there's no way of proving it either way (unless people get caught) but it's (boxing) a sport that has been tainted for years with the possibility of corruption/result fixing etc
Last night one judge scored it in a way that I would think there was a problem with. That was the 115-112 card. The other two were fair enough. Even then, it wasn't a horrendous decision by any stretch. There were lots of close rounds. Why this is being picked as a robbery I don't understand at all. Darren Barker won a very close decision to win a world title last week. There were no calls like this then. My own card which I am accurately told is worth **** all will tell you that I agree Burns lost. I don't agree it was a robbery. Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in a ten rounder. I felt he lost a close decision. The ref gave it to Fury by 8 rounds to 2. That looked worse because of the margin. This is nothing like as bad as that. http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/sep/08/raymundo-beltran-ricky-burns Here I another article saying what the Beltran camp think.
I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that I don't think the match last night would be evidence of it. It was a close fight. People can make a case for all 3 possible results last night and they'd be credible.
Ok, that fine and your opinion. However, people feel that last night was a grand **** up and this leads to people thinking something's amiss ...be it poor judging or something else (corruption)... can't be proved either way. It's just differing opinions - you think Burns lost (as do most people) and the judges made a mistake. Some think Burns lost and the judges (or a judge) was bent. Don't see what the issue is with folk thinking the that the fight was fixed.
And it actually happening. One judge scored it for Burns. One a draw and one for Beltran. That doesn't really sound like a nobbling. The judge that scored for Burns was from the US so that is a bias taken care of. There may be others. The ref should have docked a point for all the holding, but he didn't.
boxing's reputation may have had a influence on people thinking that last night surprise result was dodgy...one way or another.
Because the premise for the allegation appeared to be that the fight was in no way close. To lend credence to that notion I am being told I am the only one that thinks it was close. The experts who scored the fight gave it to Beltran by 1-2 points. A 2 point victory is only one differently interpreted round from a draw. I scored the fight, and I'm not an expert. Beltran won rounds a lot bigger than Burns did but Burns was still winning rounds and competing in rounds.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...uffered-against-raymundo-beltran-8803838.html Retire...would he not win loads of fights with a titanium jaw!!!!!
