Get over it man.

It would follow from what you're saying that the only way to oppose the regime is to not support the team.

If that's true, the price is too high.



besides, if you stop supporting the team, why would you even care about the regime ? The only thing the regime is doing wrong is harming the team, so if you've stopped supporting the team there's nothing really to complain about.

 

Exactly right. He owns the club. We can't touch him without harming our teams prospects. That is what we are alarmed about in the first place. So, a vicious circle.

 

Ok, so if on the field of play there is a massive lack of effort, cohesion, etc., is there then no license to 'boo' or show disapproval?

I do agree that support for the team for 90 mins of a match should come first. Absolutely. A few anti-Ashley chants don't hurt either, they actually create a feeling of them and us. I think the fans feel the players are 'us' for at least those 90 minutes. Pardew's in the middle, he's the link between them and us. As a result, if things aren't going well, he's going to get a fair bit of the ire, rightly or wrongly. I think the fans would do well to show the rest of the watching world what the club means. Scream and roar the club to victory, a la Fulham, but we cannot be seen to sit glibly by as any owner can do what the fck they want.

There seems to be enough discontent among both impartial and biased media now to start to get the message across. If someone wanted to buy the club, they must come in eyes open.

 

I've stopped going to games because I believe in the principle. I could have scraped together the money if I'd wanted. If you don't go to games, you stop being a supporter, but that doesn't stop you being a fan (the two aren't the same), or from having a valid opinion (which is that people keeping this parasite ticking is actually putting our club at disadvantage)

 

Don't dispute your right to an opinion.

I am not even sure I disagree with the opinion that supporting the team inevitably means supporting the regime. It's just that if the choice is to support both or neither, I choose both.

 

Ashley may own the "bricks and mortar" but one thing for certain is that he doesn't own the 'Heart and Soul' of the club and he never will. That belongs to us the fans, we are the flag bearers of today and we do that on behalf of the generations past and its our duty to keep it strong for the future. Ashley will go in time, good riddance when he does and the sooner the better.

It's about the passion and loyalty I have as a Proud Geordie that's motivates me, that is why the first interest for me is 'The Team'. For me, that support comes before anything else.

As far as I am concerned 'booing the team' is a no-brainier, it's self defeating and one of the easiest ways to demotivate a player.

Demonstrating against Ashley is a different matter, and shouldn't be confused with support for the team.

I respect anyone's views, but, as far as I'm concerned, the Team and the Regime are not the same. You see time and time again at SJP and at away grounds, with the abuse and demonstrations toward Ashley. We do both, Support the Team and F*** the Regime.

I've never been a great believer of sitting on the outside looking in and firmly believe the best way to make a difference is being there and doing something about it.

After 40+ years of going to SJP, I still get the same feeling as I did all those years ago, and that b****** Ashley will not drive me out of there as long as I can breathe.

 

Sorry mate, but have to disagree.
Just cos you've stopped going for now, doesn't mean you're not a supporter anymore.
Once a supporter always a supporter.
No getting off that lightly.

 

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Lovin' this. I'd love for the fans to create a groundswell of pride and sell out SJP every week from now. Chants of "Stand up if you hate Ashley, stand up if you hate Kinnear, stand up if you love this club, stand up if you hate the regime" greeted with 50,000 on their feet.

 

That would be really good and should get the message across.

 

I think the media and powers that be (NUST, etc.) really need to put a POSITIVE effort into it. Only good can come of it - people pay the money and want to enjoy it, so immediately they'll have a better experience. We'll look cohesive and genuine to the wider viewing public. The message will be clear - NUFC is in the blood of these fans and there's fck all you can do about it, Mike. There'll still clearly be a big finger up and the whole world would admire the fans standpoint - the watching world already knows the owner is fcking us up the ar$e, but if we look united then what difference does it make?

We can write, complain, debate and post til we're blue in the face about what a despotic twot Ashley is, what an incompetent twot Kinnear is - but we're saying nothing new, doing nothing other than vent and everyone already agrees with us! But by GOING to the match, roaring that team on, making SJP the home of NUFC, the home of its' fans and a place where the owner simply isn't wanted or needed I think we will create something else. Whether that's because Ashley goes, which some think he will eventually, or because he sacks Kinnear, or because he become transparent, or invests more, there's a much higher chance of something better coming out of it. He's already shown that if he doesn't like what we think, then he'll throw his weight about. So fck him. If he died tomorrow the club would survive.

 

I would say that the long term view of going to the games is NOT supporting the team. A short term action may be required for a long term favourable reaction.

 

And then ignored. Ashley and Kinnear know where they stand with the fans. They couldnt care less; as long as 50,000 go through the gates to make the protest then he'll be laughing.

Do you remember Ozzie Osbourne being told that some parental and church going organisations were burning his albums in America? He simply said, "I don't care as long as they buy them first".

If demonstrations like that did anything then they'd ban them. Why do you think that they only allow anti-govenment protests down Whitehall on a weeken? Democracy or simply that the Powers That Be are at Chequers or in the Home Counties away from it all.

Stand up, shout, say whatever you like. But, be a good chap and buy your ticket first.

 

Your assumption is that making the club marginally less profitable (gate receipts are not the only source of revenue) will make Ashley leave sooner rather than later.

That in turn is based on the assumption that something we do can make Ashley decide to make a loss on the club - - he isn't going to get his money back if revenues are down. I think this is a very dubious assumption.

Matter of fact, I find it hard to think of the scenario where lower gate receipts lead to Ashley leaving more quickly.

 

I can't argue with the logic there. But it is becoming obsessive and excessive.

 

There is no doubt MA has brought our club into further disrepute. (Shep. etc) with associations with cheap tat SD. and Wonga. But this only proves he has no shame. He could not give a damn what we think. Until something comes along that suits his game, then we are stuck with him. No amount of abuse will shame him into acting any differently. In fact it would not surprise me if he did something else out of sheer spite as a spoiled child. Can you imagine the damage he could cause if he took a huff.

 

Why support Brighton ??? there is no bluebirds in wales anymore or haven't you heard..

 

Why pay the man a fortune to vent your spleen at him?! Counter productive is too poor a description, more like plainly idiotic. I'd gladly take £40 off everyone here and let you sing nasty songs about me for 90 minutes!!! Lower gates would have him scrambling for the exit. Upkeep of a 50,000 stadium getting a couple of thousand fans a week would kill him.

 

But it's true. A supporter is someone who puts money and valuable effort into the club. They SUPPORT it. As supporters we aren't all equals. A fan(atic) is someone who just loves it. In that regard we are equals

 

I agree with your definition. However, that makes the true supporter Sky TV.