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4 separate nations or one GB team

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by swanseaandproud, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Any of the home nations will never win anything due to the set up here and unless we do away with foreign players being so prominent in Britain it will always be like that. A British team has more chance of achieving something and that don't change where you are from, whether you like it or not we are British and live by the law of the land, try applying for a welsh passport..<laugh> or if we still had conscription into the armed forces we would be fighting for queen and country. This is sport we are talking about and not where you are from, If you hold a British passport and born anywhere in the British isles then whether you are welsh,english scottish or N irish then you are British so i cant see a problem of a British football team. keep the home teams and we wont be a force in football ever again and what is the point of that. I would rather watch a british team but that don't make me less welsh, I watch the lions and GB athletics, I watch Boxing who again represent Britain when they turn pro.. Its the way forward if you want to win any of the big worthwhile tournaments in football....
     
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  2. Erik

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    I've never really considered myself English, always British, and I've taken an interest in the history of all four constituent nations of the United Kingdom. I also support the only football team of those nations to ever win anything, and the only one to (fairly) consistently qualify for major tournaments. I still wouldn't support the idea of a 'Team GB'
     
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    Isnt the British cricket team called England?
     
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  4. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    England are without doubt the best we have got in britain but even they are so far back compared to the other big teams that nations like spain,germany and the rest are very happy if any of us are in their group as its easier for them to qualify....
     
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  5. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    England/wales cricket board.
     
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  6. Cherry Jack

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    If you saw the lineup of the Olympic team, you would see this is patently false. But I'll leave you to your "RAH RAH RAH" nationalism.

    I personally don't agree with using a GB team for anything other than the Olympics. All four teams have their own identities and history, hence why there is so little support for the idea from any of the home nations. Before someone says it - it's not a popular idea in England, believing that there is some sort of plot by the English FA and football fans to annex Welsh football because of the odd "if only Gareth Bale was english" joke you're being deluded.

    Nah, England's cricket team is effectively an England and Wales team (hence England and Wales Cricket Board) - Wales produces so few cricket players that reach international level that I'm not sure this will change. Scotland has it's own team which is an ODI nation, and Ireland has a team. Not sure if that includes the north or if they have their own little team too.
     
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  7. Kifflom!

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    "... identities and history" won't win jack ****. End of.
     
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  8. gendrosjack

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    British team for me all the way. It was great to see a Great Britain team in the Olympics. Can't stand that small minded, bigoted nationalism that the Welsh nats represent. The fact is that Wales was never historically one nation but made of many kingdoms and many princes. Stereo your daughter is as Welsh as anybody on this forum, don't let any small minded bigot tell you different. The same people persecuted my family who came from Ireland. I would also like to get rid of the joke that is the FAW, I wouldn't let them run the Malsters pub team.
     
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  9. Kifflom!

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    Spot on Gendros. I've never bought this "I'd rather win nothing" argument. It's pants.

    Coleman forgetting his passport sums up the Welsh setup to a tee. Tinpot!
     
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    As a Hull City fan, I'd take three relegations in the next three years if it meant an end to the notion of us becoming 'Hull [City] Tigers'. Surely you don't want to 'do a Cardiff' and trade it all in just for a fleeting shot at glory?
     
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    Eric, your club badge says it all for me.
     
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  12. Erik

    Erik Well-Known Member

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    Who's this 'Eric' you speak of?
     
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  13. gendrosjack

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    Leopards don't change their spots even if spell check does.
     
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    with you all the way gendros..<ok>
     
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    I think we need to take into consideration that it's not just us but there are three other counties involved in this debate and we must show all due respect to them too. I'm sure the English just as much as the Celtic nations would want to keep their identitities. It's one thing someone being patriotic and being proud to be British but if someone choses to classify themselves as Welsh and are patriotic about being Welsh and do not consider themselves anything else then that is their choice and deserves such respect too. Surely that's what living in a democracy is all about.
    England V Scotland is the oldest international match and it would be a travesty to lose it.
     
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  16. Kifflom!

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    Firstly, we're not talking about Hull, Cardiff or Swansea. Cardiff's 'rebranding' was done on the whim of their wealthy owner who threatened to walk if they didn't go along with it - literally holding them to ransom. The change was unnecessary and petty so fans were bound to be upset.

    At international level it's a different matter because we're not talking about a club, the bread and butter of most fans' footballing interest. Wales has to recognise we will never win anything. Ever. Same for NI, Scotland and some would argue, England too (though this is less likely, marginally). Success for a GB team wouldn't be "fleeting". I genuinely think that we could be a major player in world football. I imagine the current squad would include Ramsay and Bale at least. In the past, Giggs, Hughes, Rush and so on would have all played on the world stage and it's a crying shame they didn't.

    Dexter - you're right. England doesn't want it either. Btw looking forward to the final season ;)
     
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  17. gendrosjack

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    Nice to see us agree on something Dai!
     
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  18. Dexter Morgan

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    They are showing it on the FX channel on sunday evenings @9m, it's on a break this week but there are only three episodes left
     
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    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    Cytuno'n llwyr 'da Mabon <ok>

    Owain Glyndwr and Llywelyn Ein Llyw Olaf (Llywelyn the Last) would turn in their graves at such talk. We are Welsh, so we keep the Welsh national team, simples <ok>
     
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    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    You'll actually find that she is German, and she is certainly no queen of mine <ok>
     
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