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Wenger is a genius.

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Depay Sound, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member
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    Guess it depends on your view of Arsenal's transfer dealings and future transfer activity. If Ozil can contribute lots of goals and assists and push Arsenal towards trophies then it won't be a waste, but if the money spent on Ozil stops Wenger bringing in decent players in other areas, and Arsenal continue to bump along in 4th, then I think it has to be seen as a waste of money when there are such gaping holes elsewhere in the side.

    <laugh>

    Doubt that's true tbh - they reportedly offered him to Utd and City before Arsenal. Seems like Arsenal were the only club willing to pay the amount of money Real were demanding. Assume you mean Dortmund lost Gotze to Bayern? Wasn't aware Reus had left? Dortmund signed Mikhtaryan (sp?) to replace Gotze, and spent all the money they raised, so I doubt they'd have a spare £40m+ to throw around.
     
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  2. Krome

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    So Ozil is rubbish and we should have bought Modric instead?
     
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    Shucks I meant Gotze, my bad...

    Thanks, yeah I don't follow the Bundesliga teams closely enough!
     
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    Where has anyone said he is rubbish?
     
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  5. shwan

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    he is not rubbish, everyone agree here Ozil is one of the best
    all people are saying is that you invested in the area you needed less investment
     
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    Like last year when you bought rvp?
     
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    We needed a striker, as well as a CM, its just that SAF decided not to get a CM
     
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  8. shwan

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    we had only 2 strikers and sold Berb and remember Welbeck hadn't establish himself at that time... so how that is even relevant ? <doh>
     
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    Are French Arse fans turing into Liverpool, they seem to think this year is there year
     
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  10. Krome

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    Apart from one person who says the same thing every year I havn't heard a single Arsenal fan say we're going to win the league, most don't even think we'll challenge for it
     
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  11. afcftw

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    Ozil is the first step in the right direction. It shows a move in transfer policy to be able to afford the best players and there wages and proves we can still attract the very best players.

    We have a very settled team and a very good first 11 and 18-man match-day squad. But we are thin depth-wise and a few injuries could cause us real trouble. Particularly up front. (Mourinho is a **** for pulling the plug last minute on the Ba deal).

    I think we will be comfortably in the top 4 again, top 3 i think is achievable. If we make the right signings in January i could see us making top 2 at a stretch (being positive!). I think it more likely that next season we will be competing properly for the league, but it's still early and who knows what will happen in the rest of this season!
     
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  12. Constcrepe

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    You may have a bit of a point there. Not saying Ozil is the same class of player as Bergkamp but back in 95/96 you signed the him along with David Platt at a time when you needed newer better players. The following season then saw the like of Overmars, Petit, Anelka and Vieira amongst others arrive to and form the nucleus of a new attacking team under Wenger. In saying all of that despite signing newer exciting players, if you look further along Wenger does still sign stellar players like Christopher Wreh, Oleg Luzhny, Igor Stepanovs <whistle>.
     
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    Would go quite that far tbh. Seems like Real were determined to shift Ozil this summer, and offered him to Utd and City a month before he went to Arsenal. It's good that top players will still consider Arsenal, but I think you're still a fair way off the stage at which the very best players would choose Arsenal over other major clubs.
     
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    http://www.givemesport.com/376462-mesut-ozil-wanted-manchester-united-move?autoplay=on
     
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    In global financial (if not support) terms, I think Arsenal must come second only to United in the premier league. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that they can get a top player like Ozil. In fact it was probably mean penny pinching Wenger who obstructed getting the best players until now. He has finally relented and realised that spending mid prices would only get you mid ranked players. It was a big jump from £17m (the top he has paid for years) to £42.5m.
     
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    Up until this season we simply couldn't afford to go for the top players. We have finally broken through a financial barrier that was placed on us by the deals we had to put in place to secure a move to the Emirates. Now thatwe have renegotitated those deals we are in a position to financially compete. Ozil was the sign thatwe have finally come through that period of austerity.
     
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    What a load of bollocks. It has come out that Ozil was never planned on being allowed to leave (Di Maria was). Di Maria however made it clear he would play wherever he was put, had no problem being a back-up and worked his socks off. Ozil believed in 3 seasons of being one of there key players and integral to them winning silverware that he had done enough to be allowed to continue in the role he was doing so well in. Wenger turned Ozil's head.

    Ozil wasn't offered to Utd and City and infact it is rumoued that both PSG and Utd attempted to come and derail the deal. However after Arsenal having deals in place for Higuain and Di Maria and Madrid pulling out of them it was agreed that no other bids would then be accepted for Ozil.

    Now of course all of this information is from newspapers and there are a lot of contradictory stories doing the rounds, so i could be just as wrong as you!

    But i can't see any team in the World turning there nose up at Ozil.
     
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    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport...-chelsea-star-turned-down-barcelona-1-6019856
     
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    Not really. Fact remains Ozil said he was happy to stay at Madrid a mere few days before the transfer and then suddenly he leaves the biggest club in the world to join the 4th best team in England? Not buying it. He was practically forced out to fund Bale and at that late stage in the window Chelsea and City for example has done their money on others and United were looking at more central midfield players. Had Ozil been offered up at the start of the window, 100% Arsenal wouldn't have had a sniff - see Hazard last year as an example.

    Whether by luck or judgement, Wenger pulled off a great signing but I don't for a second think Ozil wanted to go there nor that Arsenal can now attract the best players (certainly not above the likes of the Uniteds etc).

    Are Arsenal finally in the financial position to compete or did they ultimately still only spend half of what City did, just on one player - making it look more spectacular? Having sold RVP, Clichy, Fabregas etc they were surely due to spend at some point?
     
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  20. Swarbs

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    It's true that it's all based on papers and rumours, but some of those statements just sound absurb.

    When did that come out? Ozil said he never planned to leave, but that he was forced out in the last few days of the window.

    That just doesn't follow at all. Ozil believed he'd done enough to continue as a key player for Real, but Ancelotti and Real saw it differently. How does that in any way indicate that Wenger turned his head? His head was turned by his manager telling him he was surplus to requirements. All Wenger had to do then was turn it Arsenal's way, with no real competition.

    Except that the rumour about Ozil being offered to Utd and City were in the papers weeks before Arsenal even got involved. The rumours around PSG and Utd 'derailing' the deal are just the usual transfer deadline day BS - if Utd were trying to derail the deal, why were all the Utd staff focusing on Fellaini and Herrera, having briefed journalists that they were in no way interested in Ozil? Seems like a pretty funny way to derail a deal, even by our standards in this window!

    That just makes no sense at all. Why would Real, after turning down offers for Higuain and Di Maria as being too low, then agree to give Arsenal for Ozil if there was any chance of them getting a higher bid from another club? Is there some sort of rule in football about not turning down three offers from the same club for different players? Real, like any club around, would have dropped Arsenal like a shot if they'd thought they could get more money from another club - why on earth would they do otherwise?!
     
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