I had a long chat with my mate at lunchtime. He's not at all happy about the way the mancs are playing and he's disgusted about their transfer dealings. He reckons their MD/CEO is a ****er. he's not very hopeful for this season. When I asked him what he thought about Moyes' post-match comments he said it was a case of the Emperor's new clothes. He might convince himself, but he isn't convincing any other ****er. Might be acceptable at Everton, but no way is it acceptable here. Interesting.............................................. He reckons we've had a great window and rates Sakho very highly.
Thought you said we could forget about Sakho..... Moyes has that bit of Roy about him. The comments after the game were very similar to when we lost to Everton and Roy was making comments about learning how to lose or some **** like that. Will be interesting this season. Also, reports coming out that they had 40 mil bids for Khedira and I assume something high as well for Sneijder really late in the window. Along with the Herrera deal falling through ( He would have been good for them too).
Funny... I had the identical thought. Think Moyes is a better manager than Roy though... doubt he will set Utd back 5 years the way Roy has us. Still think Moyes may be in for a rough year but if they keep him he will learn the role after a couple seasons.
Moyes at least had Everton challenging towards the top 4, Roy never had a team do that in a proper league ( not really counting Switzerland, Norway, etc). Man Roy and H&G killed us, along with getting a fat chunk for Torres and spunking that.
Well looks like he thought wrong then eh? Anyway, Moyes is def in for a learning curve, Rodgers had a lot of that last year. Someone had put that it took 7 games or something like that to get our first win last year!!
well they bought moyes his target man so expect them to play 9-0-2 from now on. moyes will have the long bomb tactic that served him so well. really there are a lot of brave faces out there. gill sold utd to the glaziers, the new guy is getting it before he's done anything... moye might not get the time he needs to really ruin utd is my main concern
Moyes def has more about him as a manager. The key difference is that Hodgson was tasked with our continued efforts at rebuilding, pretty much from scratch. It was a huge job. Whereas Moyes has gone in with a fully stocked, still very competitive squad (almost) where there's still the all important positivity. Admittedly, Hodgson couldn't have done any worse a job trying to start that rebuild for us. It'll get interesting with Moyes when key players either fancy a change/have their heads turned (happened already with Shrek), or start to retire (Giggs first presumably).
Moyes will be good eventually... it took him years to make Everton consistently challenge top 6... early on he'd yo yo between there and relegation fight. Think in couple of years he'll have United consistently in top 4. Not guarenteed this year though. United are in far greater danger if they lose managers every summer expecting them to be fergie. (Even Fergie took time to start winning)
Fergie took over a club that had been a basket case for a long time though. Moyes has taken over at a club that are champions and from a manager worshipped by the whole of Surrey. He will never get the four years grace Fergie did, he'll get half that if he's lucky. Don't underestimate how quickly the knives will come out especially if they go out of Europe early (piss easy group so probably won't happen). Basically they've had a **** summer but they do have a squad that won the league so unlikely they will collapse yet. However if I was a United fan I'd be ****ing pissed if the only summer signing was a lump of **** like Fellaini especially as they ended up paying more for him than if they'd done the deal a few weeks ago Good work so far Moysey lad
Was on about this at the weekend, I still feel unless he picks them up for the next game the empire will begin to crumble. I base solely on the fact SAF had the ability to rebuild confidence, Moyes I don't believe, has that required skill. He'll revert to the long ball tactics he's used to with Everton, this may work against certain teams but that's how he'll pick up loads of injuries! Only my opinion though
Also have to remember that Fergie got blessed with an unbelievable youth squad that all came through and all made it to help kick start that dominance. We sort of had that in the late 90's but it all got messed with with the joint managers and Houllier wanting his way. Moyes though does have the squad in place that Fergie did not. Still very early though but we will see.
Who fed you that bullshit? One of the first things Fergie did when he was appointed was send his scouts out to find the best youngsters. They recruited them from all over and there were many that didn't make it at Man Utd. They tried to recruit our very own Stevie G too!
Funny... if Fergie got Gerrard as a youngster he'd probably be a defender today... and not nearly as famous as a result. He started as a defender before changing to midfield and with United having plenty of midfield talent already wouldn't likely to have changed his position.
Point is he had a youth squad that all came throgh, pretty much all made it ( in the end saved a ton of $$) and all had the spirit and mentality of winning. Whether we hate them or not it is the Nevilles, Beckhams, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, etc who have been the spine of that team when they were winning it all and were clearly on top. A lot of those players gave many years as well right? not too much chopping and changing but having that spine and then bringing in the quality around it. This is what we could hopefully be doing as well with some of our starlets.
And my point was Fergie was behind it. He wasn't fortunate or blessed with a youth squad, he instigated it!
Ok, he instigated it but instead of spending the crazy cash as Blackburn did, he went and got hte top youth. That could have easily backfired and there is of course the famous quote " You'll win nothing with kids" but they were able to adapt and provide stability. Blackburn fizzed out, Newcastle fizzed out, Leeds, etc all the teams in that time fram fizzed out while they had the stability of those players. Chelsea spent big but they had that spine there that could still be seen even last year ( Terry, Lampard, Drogba, Cole now I would say, Cech). Arsenal had it when they were good. Think Moyes needs to find that balance and he does have some thinking to do with CB, CM, AM. Think they are more or less covred elsewhere.
It could have back fired but it also wasn't an immediate fix. Fergie knew that if he recruited a lot of youngsters (the best in the country at the time) he would get at least two or three that could move into the first team. In the mean time, he spent cash on players and built a team (Bruce, Pallister, Hughes, Kanchelskis, Schemiecal, Ince, etc) that won the league, he introduced the youngsters later. He was fortunate to get seven of the other players though; Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, G.Neville, P.Neville, Sharpe and Butt!
It was dangerous but it provided the purple patch of that success as when those players were in their prime, I think they pretty much won it, year in and out it seemed! Thought we had this when Macca, Fowler, Redknapp, Jones, etc started to come through but it didn't quite pan out due to the manager stuff. Also at the time our teams would have easily been in the CL!!! Imagine if those places offered that back then!!!!
Difference was, Man Utd won the league with experienced player first. The younger players where learning from these experienced players in the background.
