If results don't improve How long should we keep Laudrup........

No worries Dai - keep on doing what you do - don't always agree with you but value your opinions!

 

Here is something else to think about then.....

By finishing 9th, you ended up just a few points higher than Norwich, who were totally dire for 5 months of the season. As good a placing as it was, I think it goes to demonstrate more about how poor the teams were in the PL last season, outside the top 5 or 6 (or at best, inconsistent). In the bottom half of the league Newcastle, Sunderland, Villa, QPR, Reading, Wigan, Fulham, Norwich all had seriously bad runs, some more than others. The poor Swans run may or may not be a continuation of the latter part of last season, as has our start, so I think it is reasonable that it is questioned - even after two games. Some Norwich fans have been asking the same about Chris Hughton, not because we have not won yet this season but the way we are playing, on the whole, is no different to the dross served up since January.

 

It looks like the Prem is going to be a tougher league all around this season when you look at the quality that has been imported across the board and Tevez looks like the only player of note to have left. Bale is in a precarious position and may yet have to eat crow at Spurs.

 

The board/HJ, have banged on about recruiting managers that can fit into the swans style of play for a couple of years or so, if ML alters things in a way that is not good for the clubs future im sure they will decide what should be done without being reckless about it !
His record of achievments here so far has been great. So i see no cause to start panicking so early into this season, we have been spoilt a little with the glorious rise over the last 10 years that weve achieved here but a top 6 spot may be a big ask until we survive the prem long enough to purchase some super star quality players to add to the best we now have so a realistic approach to where we are now is survival first and foremost again and anything more is a bonus. imo.

 

I don't feel the OP is genuine what so ever.

If this article was from any other poster then I would accept it as a passionate fan creating debate and being objective, a its come from Daiswan then its clear to me this is a thread designed to to WUM and cause bad feeling amongst fellow posters.

Knowing Daiswans track history if I was a MOD I would have banned this straight away, its quite clear the bloke has other agendas ,I mean lets be honest no real Swans fn would be contemplating Laudrups removal after a couple of games! the guy supports Liverpool not the Swans

I find it a little bit insulting to most Swans fans that we have to put up with such bollocks from a guy that has a proven track record of being a WUM.

This thread has proved to me Daiswans doesn't love his club the way he says he does, the bloke is a joke and the MODS need to get a grip on the guy before he causes a major fallout yet again !

 

hi dai I don't think this is going to need to be thought about as we have currently played the reigning camps and I feel a top 4 finishing team and played ok. before you fly into me yes we did lose 4-1 but we were competitive all game and we lost 1-0 to spurs we knew we had a difficult start and after 5 games last year we only had 8 points after our start. I have plenty of faith in laudrup and don't see this materialising as we will start to.pick up points and settle down they are still getting to know each others games as a team so there will be the odd wayward pass or mistimed run but we'll be fine

 

Agree all the way.

The main challenge is still how we preform in PL. We have played two matchs against some of the best teams in the League. Far to early to say anything.

 

In the interests of debate only and as Dai has raised the thread, who would you Dai think could come in to replace the current manager ?,


My thoughts are , last season was last season and the results after the Wembley appearance were finite between winning and losing (Man Utd , Norwich,WBA etc) so no major issues there for me , a positive preseason and played 6 competitive games with 3 losses and 2 wins and a draw ,he's brought in 'quality " replacements for the players who've left or are leaving and so far we've kept our star players whether thats down to the manager's persona or not I don't know but players have come to little old Swansea because of him.For 12 years we've been on the ascent without too many blips and for a club the size of ours I'd say thats pretty amazing and just maybe we've got used to that progress and expect it to continue regardless .We will plateau at some point and maybe it's now I don't know but being realistic I can't think of many mangers who would have achieved for the club what the Laudrup has to date .

 

Agree. And i'm not sure i'm ready to go through this sort of wumming every time we lose a game from a person that knows very little of how football works. I'm all for critizising team and manager when it's due but to call for the gaffers head after defeats to Man U. and Tottenham is just not a serious approach. And it seems that the ignore option doesnt help from him poisoning the forum. It's all about the blood pressure and civil football discussion. If it was genuine critic that's fine but if it is not plain obvious to most that he has a hidden agenda then I guess im in the minority and maybe it's time to take a vacation and see what that other forum is about.

 

Quite right Ramblin. I am not sure I want to read the ****e/vitriol should we dare lose to little old West Bromwich Albion.

What needs to change is the expectations of our fickle fans who expect us to win every game 5-0. Laudrup will be gone at the end of the season to a far bigger club than us because true football people can see what a great job he is doing.

 

Going back to the OP - and this is a direct question to Dai.

You have given Michael Laudrup 8 more games in charge before the "cut off point" ie the sack. How many points would YOU require the Swans to get in order for Sir Michael to avoid the sack?

Please give a direct answer with no bullsh*t.

 

I think this is a fair thread Dai.
I agree and disagree
Yes, our form has been off for some time. We aren't winning a lot of games. There is a case that last season, and this one should be looked at separate, given that we have different squads.

There were times towards the end of last season when our football was soo bad, it was like watching a Paulo Sousa team, and I remember saying, for the first time, I really want this season to finish. I hate it.

On the other side, we have had a fair amount of success, as has been mentioned. We DO have a good squad, with unbelievable ability, at times (JDG last night was gash).

So, I think Laudrup will leave at the end of this season anyway, so he shouldn't go before then...Hopefully we can get a nice bit of money for him from Barca or Real Madrid. Then get in another manager who can, again, take us on to the next level.

 

I'm sure Dai knew the sort of response he'd get to posting this, however it is still a valid post....I'd rather talk football on threads like this than read insults and pages about alcohol and rissoles....it's only kinky the first time.

I personally feel that our style has certainly changed. We aren't dominating possesion like we were. This change has been brought about to give us a more cutting edge I feel, as we weren't creating enough chances or goals for the amount of posession we had. It seemed that in far to many games we would have 70% posession and then the opposing team would grab the ball and score within a minute due to their faster attacking style. It's too early this season to make a judgement on if it is going to be a better system for us due to the matches being Man United and Spurs ( however - I saw no improvement from last seasons performances against those teams).
If we get half way through the season and find ourselves in the relegation zone and still playing poorly then I would consider changing Laudrup.... but only if we knew we had someone to take us back to the style that got us where we are today.
As far as Laudrup leaving at the end of the season, it will depend on how our season goes.....if we end up relegated I'm not so sure Madrid and the likes will want him.
I don't agree with PGF in saying the fans expect 5-0 wins all the time, I think most want to see us looking like we are capable of winning each game rather than expecting to be beaten. Lets be honest, in our first season in the Premier league we built up a belief that no matter who came to the Liberty we fancied our chances - and that includes the top 6 teams. At the moment I don't have such a belief. In the second season we improved on our away results as well. I'd love to think We can beat WBA on Sunday but my confidence is low at the moment, because of our results at the end of last season, and in our 3 away matches this season ( Europa league incl.). A win would surely change a lot of peoples outlook for the season, as long as it's not a lucky win.... the performance also needs to show promise.

If we lose on Sunday and the performance is poor then the doom and gloom will only get worse.
A win and a good performance and not606 will be warm and wet for all to stick their oars in.

 

Swim "Dont try and bully me Dai."

Bit rich when all you seem to do is mock Dai. He may ask for it at times but that doesn't mean this topic isn't worthy of debate. It is. It's not "****e & vitriol" to criticise your highly paid players when they don't perform to the level they are capable of.

99% of us will say Laudrup should be here to the end of his contract no matter what. But anyone who says everything is fine and we're playing well after last night's shocking performance (particularly 2nd half) needs a brain transplant.

 

The only way to treat this post is with contempt. We had our best ever season last year and won won a major trophy for the first time in our history. This is anew season with a new squad and we have played two games against the top teams, get real. But then you only have to look who is posting to see this is an obvious wum, Dai is a troll. His ignorance about anything football related is all to apparent, he has been wrong on numerous occaision's and has simply chosen to forget about it. For goodness sake when Brendon Rodgers took charge he was hoping the Swans would lose their friendly's. He was wrong about Martinez, wrong about Sousa, wrong about Rodgers and he is wrong about Laudrup. Dai is a wrong'un, fact!

 

Quid pro quo?

 

In the interest of debate, no matter what happens we shouldn't change manager before the beginning of February. A few of the players here have an affinity with him and so any move by the board before the end of mid-season transfer window could see a couple of players perhaps thinking more seriously about any potential bids. After that they must stay anyway and who knows, they may like whoever we bring in.

*This is hypothetical.

 

Gendros - what are you saying ? - that Dai shouldn't be allowed to voice his opinions here ? Maybe we need to apply to join this forum - and only people deemed worthy can contribute ? If you feel he knows nothing, then his opinion shouldn't carry any weight whatsoever. If that is indeed the case - just ignore him.

 

He didn't say that. He said the post should be treated with contempt. That's is gendrosjacks opinion.

 

Iast season's fall off was due to the 40 points and cup win being achieved too early, and our players dropped their game with an eye on the beech, not saying that's what they should have done, but it was clear that's what happened last season. This season we have had a pre season with too many poor teams, and then had to dive into the deep end playing Manu and Spurs, it was obviosly going to be a difficult start, but expextations were high due to the unprecedented transfer signings this season, and the number of transfers as well, but in reality it takes some time for the team to gel, and also for these new players to step up to the Premier league level, Bony in particularly I think will need some time, as he's a Jason Scotland type of striker, but it's encouraging to see how well young Poz is doing, so not all is bad, can we please let Laudrup have some time, he's a far more inteligent man than Dai!.......