All managers since Jackett have played some part in moving the club forwards. KJ removed the cronyism and total lack of fitness and professionalism he inherited from Flynn and restored some pride. The football wasn't as we have now, although far better than the usual dullards will admit to. He took us as far as he was capable of doing at the time given the off the field sh*t stirring from a certain Iberian. His reputation has only grown since leaving us, and deservedly so. Martinez installed the passing football at the clubs insistence, and took us unto the Championship. That's about it though. The regard in which he's held for achieving one solitary promotion for us is baffling. As a manager he remains desperately limited and Everton will regret appointing him. There are still far too many glaring flaws in his ability to coach and set up a side and he's not shown himself capable of rectifying them. Media hype has convinced a large number of people that he's better than he is. Sousa's football was desperately dull, but given the mess he inherited when Martinez left to actually finish higher up the league was a hell of an achievement, one which the manner of his departure shouldn't sully. He deserves some credit too, even if he was an arrogant berk to the club. Nice fella with the fans though. A lot of good work he did off the pitch went unmentioned. Which brings us to Brendan the Bullsh*tter. A legend in his own mind. A man who probably believes half the crap he comes out with (maybe why Dull Dai likes him so much). A good but not great coach who moved us on not by being particularly innovative, but by making the right signings. Again deserves his share of the credit but not the entirety of it, as much as Dai, and probably he, thinks.
Dullswan's rimming of Rodgers is getting a little embarrassing now. remove right now please lone rangel, there is no need for that unless you just want your own views to be valid...mods do your job please with a warning..... I do have a valid point as i believe we have a very strong squad of players and we were also strong last season also, So if we are not getting results then who do you look at? .....you have all at some point rubbished players like ash,ki,leon and others and the next week they played well and they were class.......so lets get to the root of our poor form since the middle of last season and i am brave enough with many others to point the finger at laudrup's door and we have a valid point. no manager at established premiership clubs would put up with the long run of poor form in the premiership especially when they have a good squad of players of the caliber we have. You have to ask the question why such a long run of poor results and it points to the managers door.....He really needs to wise up and get back to the way the club was run before he took over. make a few changes by all means but if they don't work then revert back and not carry on with them to prove a point....I don't think he is the right manager for our system that has served us well and unless he starts to realise that then we will have to look for someone else or he will take us down and with the squad of players we have then that will be a shame....
i don't at all, I just think he has more skill at management than laudrup thats all. there is nothing wrong with that the same as i think other managers are better than brendan......just look at the school boy comments on here because he went to a bigger club. he changed from the best thing since sliced bread and a great manager to a rubbish manager....sorry i wont put up with that about any of our managers who got us to where we are....
there are a few admirers of liverpool on here, don't tell me that nobody had a big club they use to follow when we were in the lower leagues or as a youngster. I had two myself liverpool and arsenal who i use to support from afar and occasionally go and see. that does not make me a liverpool fan or an arsenal fan as i have only ever supported one club who when they play my soft spot clubs i always hope we win....
Rangel, please respect Dai's opinion even if you do disagree. No need to post insulting comments. If you disagree that much use the ignore button.
Everybody wished him well when he left Dai, it was a nice reward for him and he was gracious enough to extend a contract which we got well payed for. The problems came when he shafted us over siggy and Allen. He didn't need to go about things the way he did, he could have used a bit of class but didn't he used the media and as far as im concerned that was a rotton thing to do to a club that put him on the map...yes Dai, we put HIM on the map not the other way around, we were primed for the premier league when Rodgers came after great work by Sousa and Judas everything was ready for him . I like Brenda, I think he has genuine affection for Swansea and its people, he was a bit too desperate to leave us IMO but I don't blame him for that as Liverpool is a massive club(the temptation to say "fantastic" was strong!) so all the best to him. Laudrup has proved he is the better manager though, finishing higher and winning a cup and beating some of the big clubs away from home has proved it. Rodgers left early because he knew his style would be found out if it continued for another season
Every coach has their limitations and within their "brand" of football or style they need certain player resources to improve results - i.e. they can only squeeze so much juice out of the oranges at hand. Some coaches are better than others in their ability to extract value and performance out of a given set of players. Sousa and Rogers are excellent comparisons in this regard. Sousa took the squad of Martinez, minus Scotland / Gomez / Bodde (their goals most importantly = 40, if I remember correctly) and produced a better season starting with a projected / budged goal difference of -23 (previous season's goal difference less the loss of goal production from the departure of Scotland / Gomez / Bodde) - that is one hell of a feat. I would like to see Rogers do that. I would like to see any other coach do that. Complaints about entertainment value notwithstanding ... Sousa achieved a minor miracle. Remember his strikers were Pintado, Beattie (almost always injured), Kugi (?) - and a midfield without Gomez and Bodde. Talk about squeezing blood out of a stone.
Rodgers left early because he knew his style would be found out if it continued for another season Norway Brendan left because he unexpectedly got a chance to manage a big club earlier than expected. Its as plain and as simple as that, there was no hidden agendas, it was not because he thought he would be found out, It was not because he didn't like being with us, it was simply a chance of moving to a bigger club. He left us in a very health position and he will always be respected just like past managers for what they achieved.....Laudrup i hope will get the same respect when he has left us but in terms of what the club has achieved in the premiership with results and tactics then we do need to look at what has gone wrong....Since the middle of last season its not been up to the standard that it was and yet we have the right players and a very strong squad. The players don't become bad just badly managed and i think that is the case. far to many tweaks that has upset the rhythm of our playing style and i hope someone in the boardroom can see it and i'm sure they do. How much longer will they tolerate our form in the premiership is anyones guess but i'm not going to stand here and say i am happy the way we are playing as i am not. I expect better, much better with the caliber of players we have,,,,
"I just think he has more skill at management than laudrup thats all" Really? Sorry Dai but I thought Laudrup actually improved on our League position last season on the one before. Not dissing Rodgers but this is a results game and our results were better last time around. Now that's something not even you can deny. There's also an argument that it's actually easier to manage a bigger club. More resources, better players, more options. Rodgers did great for us and has an eye for a player. Getting Sturridge was a masterstroke imo. But he's at a Club that had the resources to do that. I still think that tactically Laudrup is the better manager and I've seen nothing in Rodgers recently that would make me change my mind.
Really? Sorry Dai but I thought Laudrup actually improved on our League position last season on the one before. Not dissing Rodgers but this is a results game and our results were better last time around. Now that's something not even you can deny. you see how blind you are...we actually got less points total than brendan and there was not much between us and the bottom. I have said this before that on form we actually finished bottom but one....you have not improved because you have finished 9th when the points total is less..
well it was not a problem as i have confidence in brendan winning and he did and thats far more confidence than i have in laudrup doing that thats for sure..
Dai - why must there always be a whipping boy in your strange universe? Why not back the manager instead of taking every opportunity to undermine him? So we lost to Man U at home and Spurs away - those are two games that even Brendan may have lost as well! Laudrup is our manager and, as such, makes the decisions that matter - we can disagree with his decisions, but at the end of the day he is far more qualified to make them than we are! We just see what is in front of us on match day and have little knowledge of what go's on behind the scenes, and whatever you say - that includes you! I too have many contacts within the club, as I suspect do many of the posters on here - we are that sort of club. But that doesn't mean that we are included in major decisions, we aren't! We may get the truth after the fact - we may not! But the FACT is that Huw, Laudrup and the main players do what they feel is best for the football club! We may disagree based on the information that THEY allow us to know, but we will seldom be in possession of all the FACTS! You may think that you are in tune with the heartbeat of the club - but believe me mate, you're not! You are just a passionate fan like the rest of us on here! We all have our opinions, and can all question managerial decisions in the timeless fashion of fans the world over, but we have never played top class professional football - to constantly deride one of the legends of his generation is crass in the extreme - it's not big and it's not clever and tends to detract from some of the good posts that you make!
there is no whipping boy just the reality of how things have been. Are you very happy with results in the premiership from the middle of last season up to date..9 pts out of a possible 42pts.?? If you are then why? we have a great squad of players not including recent signings so why have they not got the results??? what improvement that should have happened mid way through last season have we achieved ??? Who should take the blame for such poor form ??? there has to be someone as its gone on for far too long. Don't you think that questions must be asked or should we not bother and wait until its to late to do anything. I'm sorry if you think its a witch hunt but i'm a passionate fan and i am very concerned and don't think for one minute i'm the only one as i'm not, i have discussed this topic with many ardent fans like myself and they are concerned as well... If you are happy with results then thats ok but im a realist and in the reality we have had a run of poor form for far to long and i don't care who the manager is questions has to be asked....
Two games and the toys already thrown out of the pram - am disappointed Dai, was expecting better than the stock reply! I don't doubt that you are a passionate fan, but your bleating about the supposed deficiencies of those who run our club are getting a bit boring now. Have now realised that you are a self publicist; look at me everyone - I know everything and everyone else knows nothing! And your 'realist' claim is getting sooo boring! FACT - you are not a realist! FACT - you are a keyboard warrior who ridicules anyone with a different opinion! FACT - you will pour scorn on anyone who runs the club if it doesn't conform to your distorted view!
Its not two games though is it.....Its the way laudrup does things, he selected a poor side against spurs, he left out key players and you cant do that playing a top side away from home. they were all on the bench for gods sake. he had players out of position, he had us playing defensive football and it was only a matter of time before spurs would get their goal..Spurs were there for the taking and we blew our chance by the managers inadequate team selection and most definitely his tactics. this is the same way he was doing things last season and its a recipe for disaster. our players wont fulfill their potential because of how they are told to play even though they try their best.They and us deserve better and i hope things change and we get back to the football style that saw us reach the premiership in the first place...If not then i don't hold much hope other than winning the odd game here and there.
Stop trying to make excuses and face the reality and then say that laudrup is a good manager or not. weigh the situation up without bias and you will see clearly that laudrup's premiership record since he changed things is very poor...
