1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Article: Southampton v Sunderland match thread | Southampton FC, football

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by tomw24, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. I Sorry I Ruined The Party

    I Sorry I Ruined The Party Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2012
    Messages:
    4,880
    Likes Received:
    1,992
    I've watched it a bunch of times, and I still can't tell one way or the other.

    I will say that I think Jay Rodriguez has bad position/situational awareness. He's always cutting it really close and with his speed he can wait just a tiny tick longer or stay back an extra foot. I'm not sure how you fix that, though. You can't think about waiting or you'll hesitate too long. You just have to adjust your internal instinctive clock and always be automatically aware of the situation. Hopefully with a bit more experience, Rodriguez will get the hang of it.

    Lambert always seems to know just when to make his move. And he also knows when he is offside. So many times I've seen Lambert refuse to play a ball and think "What's he doing?" and then I realize he knew he was offside and didn't want to interfere with play. For example, last week I think that Lambert would not have lunged at that cross because he would have realized 1) he was offside, 2) he didn't have a play on it, and 3) Lallana was right there. I don't know if it would have changed the call or not.
     
    #881
  2. #42

    #42 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,180
    Likes Received:
    11
    please log in to view this image

    I can show you how I straightened the line on video if someone gets pedantic. I turned the whole image so the line was straight up and down to the human eye. I obviously zoomed and cropped also.
     

    Attached Files:

    #882
  3. st_brendy

    st_brendy Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    22,992
    Likes Received:
    11,571
    Surely this whole argument is rather redundant? The linesman had one, very brief, look on which to make his decision.

    Even if we was wrong, it was never a howler. Some of the stick the officials have received on here for the decision is ridiculous.
     
    #883
  4. #42

    #42 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,180
    Likes Received:
    11
    The linesman has to be 'totally sure' the player is offside to flag by the rules. If he's not sure he's supposed to keep his flag down. That's the reason it's a bad decision. This is the last thing I am saying about it now.
     
    #884
  5. SuperSchneid

    SuperSchneid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,797
    Likes Received:
    30
    Well actually this proves he is offside, you have straightened out the line furthest to the left but as you can see the lines still change as we go from left to right, so if he is perfectly level there we know he a tiny bit offside as the line that goes through lallana would not be perfectly straight as you have it. If that makes sense?
     
    #885
  6. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    68,369
    Likes Received:
    37,379
    Thank you. I got a load of grief for pointing this out. There is no point in disecting the decision.
     
    #886
  7. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    68,369
    Likes Received:
    37,379
    That is massively ironic considering the detail you are going to to try to prove he was onside.
     
    #887
  8. dman

    dman Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    781
    Likes Received:
    9
    The incident is history now, although i would say that JRod has been a touch unlucky with marginal offside decisions both last season and thus far this season.
     
    #888
  9. #42

    #42 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,180
    Likes Received:
    11
    The yellow defender at the top is touching the dotted line and Rodriguez isn't..that's what shows he's onside as the defender is closer to the goal.. The problem is the cut of the grass isn't parallel with the penalty box line. That's what's confusing you and others into thinking he's offside (and the linesman). It's exactly why I left the dotted lines there..
     
    #889
  10. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    68,369
    Likes Received:
    37,379
    Why don't we just drop it. Rightly or wrongly it was given and it was so close you can't argue with the assistant's call. Anyone who says otherwise is spouting absolute bullshit.
     
    #890

  11. Dark Lord SFC

    Dark Lord SFC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,833
    Likes Received:
    2,813
    Lets face it the referee and his lino's had an absolute mare regardless of this single decision!
     
    #891
  12. Joe!

    Joe! Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    18,397
    Likes Received:
    71
    The dotted lines don't aren't parallel with the penalty box either. And look at the shape of the D. Your image isn't straight.
     
    #892
  13. SuperSchneid

    SuperSchneid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,797
    Likes Received:
    30
    Not that it matters anymore, but this is where the lines should be and it shows he is just offside

    lines.jpg
     
    #893
  14. #42

    #42 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,180
    Likes Received:
    11
    Are you joking? You are getting very confused by the cut of the grass. It's not parallel with the edge of the box. I didn't do the lines you realise. It did them for me..you've done those manually and they aren't parallel to each other...

    Look at my actual post above and not the quotes as I edited it slightly before. The dotted lines are all perfectly parallel with the edge of the penalty box in my image.
     
    #894
  15. SuperSchneid

    SuperSchneid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,797
    Likes Received:
    30
    well whoever did the first image proved that yes, the grass lines were parallel with the box, also i know my lines are not parallel that's the whole reason your ones are wrong, you havent thought of field of view at all! as the lines go to the right the angle they are at will increase
     
    #895
  16. Joe!

    Joe! Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    18,397
    Likes Received:
    71
    It's hard to explain, but his lines are actually more accurate than yours. The only way your dotted lines could line up correctly is if you did it from a bird's eye view.
     
    #896
  17. Dan

    Dan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2011
    Messages:
    16,211
    Likes Received:
    132
    Are people going for the record in the most tedious discussion ever?
     
    #897
  18. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    68,369
    Likes Received:
    37,379
    Well said. This is getting really stupid now. No point lingering over it anymore.
     
    #898
  19. Joe!

    Joe! Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    18,397
    Likes Received:
    71
    YES! Join in the geometric fun.
     
    #899
  20. crusti

    crusti Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2011
    Messages:
    684
    Likes Received:
    60
    I totally agree with the point that the lino has to be 100% that the player is offside to raise his flag, as this debate clearly shows, no human could make the offside or onside in that split second, the lino`s need to stop attention seeking (or dare i say being biased).
    The Prem league always wanted more goals in a game, that`s why we have 3 points for a win instead of 2, maybe this is another way the could influence more goals into games.
     
    #900

Share This Page