Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Philippe Senderos has had a go at his team mates after yesterday's game:. please log in to view this image "Defending was a problem for us." "We conceded too many goals." "We need to play higher up the park, and not let ourselves be pushed back." "Our attacking players also need to defend better - because if they don`t we have a difficult time." Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...pe-Senderos-criticises-Fulham-team-mates.html Ah well, guess Senderos wil be collecting the Captain's coat sooner rather than later.
"Defending was a problem for us." / "We conceded too many goals." - Both of these would have been no better with him. "We need to play higher up the park, and not let ourselves be pushed back." - A bit simplistic. "Our attacking players also need to defend better - because if they don`t we have a difficult time." - The one I do agree with, but then again, just about anyone could make such an obvious observation. Such comments are stupid and hardly career-enhancing. C O Y W
Yeah, I saw this and thought . Not a very Buddhist reflective approach. Obviously, we must be circumspect on the accuracy of this report. If it is essentially accurate, then he is confirmed as a knob and should leave.
I think his comment regarding defending from the front is very valid. Ruiz and Berba are typical examples...
These comments are the equivalent of him handing in a last-minute transfer request. He's been 'found out' by Jol and knows he's 4th choice in the Centre Back pecking order.
If these quotes are genuine and not taken out of context, it's very disappointing. BobbyH may well be right that it's his way of engineering a quick exit. It does seem out of character for him to disrupt things so publicly. Most of what he's said echoes things that some of us have said in the past - set pieces, attacking players needing to do their share of the defensive work. The problem isn't with anything he's said, it's that he seems to have said it in a public arena rather than behind closed doors within the camp. By the way, he's a Muslim not a Buddhist if I remember rightly, Tosh.
Hmmm.... @Philsend4: Not happy about press story attributed to me today, first i never speak to the press, second I don't talk about my teammates.
But it was in the Sun, they'd never make something up, surely... Oh. It did seem a little out of character.
Having studied Journalism, I know for a fact you can't just make up an entire story without there being serious repercussions. Quotes can be turned one way or another but certainly not this one. I think Senderos is unhappy at how he's been portrayed and has come out on the defensive. I ask you why The Sun would bother making up a story like this one? Hardly going to sell them newspapers is it. Senderos is looking for a move now that he's our 4th choice CB and this is his way of instigating one.
As you say Bandit, his tweet smacks of wriggling after the event, not least because he made it late in the day. Not that it matters but the original story was in the Mail (my first post), so I don't think it can be dismissed as "it's just the Sun trying to sell papers". If anything the Mail's headline is the more provocative - "We struggle to defend AND attack! Former Gunners flop Senderos criticises his Fulham team-mates" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...eam-mates.html
Senderos has been sounding off again - "Experienced Fulham defender Philippe Senderos wants to leave the west London club in the January transfer window unless he can regain his place in the Cottagers’ first team between now and the turn of the year, according to reports in the Sun on Sunday. The Switzerland international is currently out of favour at Craven Cottage under head coach Martin Jol, and has not played a single match the club so far far in the new Premier League season. In fact, the 28-year-old even rejected the opportunity to move to Serie A side Parma on a season-long loan deal during the recent summer transfer window, with Senderos preferring instead to remain at Fulham and fight for his place in the first team. However, the former Arsenal, AC Milan and Everton central defender has now told Jol that he will depart the capital when the transfer window reopens at the start of next year if he is not brought back into the first-team fold before then." Why couldn't he have just bogged off permanently this window when we might have got some money for him!
Can we recall Burn in January and dump Senderos? I have no time for players who aren't even prepared to fight for their place. Trying to force Jol to pick him as otherwise he'll leave? That's pretty low. If you deserve to play, you'll play.
I'd be quite happy to see Burn getting game time, but I read the original article differently to you, Surlyc. Surely he is willing to fight for his place - that's the reason it says he turned down the move to Parma. As for telling Jol, there's nothing there to suggest it's a threat or a gun to his head. Under Keegan, Simon Morgan once started growing a beard, saying he wouldn't shave until he'd got back into the first team. I don't recall him being criticised for that (and quite right too), but isn't that just as much a case of trying to force the manager's hand? Just because Jol knows that Senderos intends to fight for his place, it doesn't mean he's obliged to pick him. The question of the critical comments that initially prompted this thread is still unclear, but other than that the only thing Senderos has done wrong is been a player that lots of the fans don't like, rightly or wrongly. If Chris Baird (for example) had said something similar to Jol last season, no one would have criticised him for it.
I think the point being made Captain is that Senderos in the eyes of the manager and those that have regularly watched him, is that he is not a premiership quality player. Added to the fact their was rumors that QPR were interested,a move that never happened possibly increased his frustration. A move on his part would suit all parties concerned, as i cant see a new contract being offered on the termination of his present one.
I'm not arguing that Senderos should play. I'm just saying it seems a bit unfair to criticise him for not fighting for a place when he's decided to stay and fight for a place! Given that he apparently turned down a move, it's clearly not the case that a 'a move on his part would suit all parties concerned' - he's one of the parties concerned! This isn't a player happy to sit back and just collect his wages. He's a player who wants to play and who is willing to fight for his place. Unfortunately he's also a player who can do no right in some peoples eyes. I understand the reasons for that, and that he has made a lot of mistakes when he has played, but let's at least limit the criticisms to valid ones.
I think the criticism is perfectly valid,the majority of regular watching supporters feel he is not up to the job as a quality premiership player. At this level one must prove their worth, and surely 3 years at the Cottage is enough time to establish his credentials
'the criticism' I was talking about was someone on this board saying that they were fed up with players who weren't prepared to fight for a place, when what Senderos seems to be doing is the exact opposite of that! By definition, that's not valid. I'm not getting into whether Senderos is good enough for us or for the Premier League. There are valid criticisms of him but that wasn't the point I was making. Given that he gets crucified for every single mistake he makes on the pitch where others get more leeway, let's at least not slam him for not fighting for his place when he's saying he wants to fight for his place!
