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Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by PINKIE, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    Mostly in the southern states, and they don't tend to censor them, they just don't show them at all. A lot of films in the states hit the theatres, pre-censored, and it is only the video copy that has the "unreated" versions. Perhaps the Saudi's are a shade more conservative than the USA, but honestly in the grand scheme of things, it is just a different shade of grey.

    http://www.irregulartimes.com/geraldallenbooks.html - Its off topic so I am happy to shelve it, but censorship does simmer out of the public eye.
     
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  2. gent

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    I really doubt your knowledge of the southern states if you think censorship of movies is a thing there. I've encountered many people (mostly hard lefties to be precise) from the UK here that have a cartoonish, and frankly bigotted, image of the place. Which makes sense considering that the majority of the media in America leans heavily to the left (both in campaign contributions, and stated support), and that's where you possibly base your information on. Conservatives in the USA generally value the individual liberty of others (including choosing what you want to watch), way more than Europeans in some issues, even when they are personally religious (And I'm saying this as an atheist myself).

    I randomly selected a southern state (Alabama) and searched for movie theater info and basically for cities of a same size all the same stuff is playing. There's adult theaters as well.

    I know for a fact some game developers face issues in publishing stuff in Germany, for example, having to rework content to publish there, when it's not an issue in any state in the US. Censorship is much broader in the EU than in the US.

    There they have several rating levels (age factors etc), but almost nothing is blocked for adults who choose to consume the content.


    As someone else told you today, though, don't let facts get in your way of making an argument!
     
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  3. TheEnigmaofEmmanuelEboue

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    Watching Monaco at home to Toulouse here and the stadium is empty. And I mean empty. You can hear the reverberation around the stands from when a ball gets kicked. Sad to see players like Falcao and Rodriguez playing there, not what football should be about.
     
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  4. ToledoTrumpton

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    I've lived in the US and still have friends there. The censorship is localized and easily avoided, but exists none the less. The censorship on television is far more than in a lot of European countries. Who can forget the outrage over the wardrobe malfunction in the super-bowl.

    I still get US TV right now. Some of the stuff that gets pixelated out on TV is bizarre.
     
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  5. Han Shot First

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    Our next manager's side are currently beating Bremen 1-0, Lewandowski with the goal.
     
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  6. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Is that not a Cartoonish and slightly bigoted view of the Left ?

    I'm not sure if you've spent much time in the US, but the media is not one entity there. You have mainsteam media outlets like NBC, CBS, FOX, Time Warner who control a huge slice of the market, but there are nearly 3OO individual media companies putting out news, current affairs etc and they vary as much as the topography and geography of the country.

    The US is generally a conservative county, even the democrats are a right of centre party compared to what would be considered the middle ground politics in the UK. It's only really in the major cities like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Washinton DC, Seattle, San Diego, San Francisco etc that you will see left of centre ideas and local govt. Pretty much most of the country is very conservative, and especially more so in the south. Even California, which is famed for it's radical ideas and lifestyles, is still a pretty much conservative state and if you go to areas like the OC, it is pretty right wing.
     
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  7. gent

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    Well I wasn't contesting that outside major cities things lean to the right, the point was is the comparison on censorship with Saudis accurate?

    The only accurate thing TT has said so far was about daytime TV, which is true, they censor curse words and what not (Nationally, not state-specific). But where people have the choice to make what to view and what not to view, what content to produce and what content not to produce, US is far more liberal (the original meaning of the word) than Europe.


    For "violent video games" (which politicians like Hillary Clinton rally against) for example there are far more Puritans on the left side of the spectrum trying to restrict choice, so the generalization that censorship must be somehow linked to conservative ideals is unbased. Even for daytime TV, its not a localized thing it's standard.
     
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  8. goonercymraeg

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    That bastion of socialism Fox News is one of the worst culprits.I'm glad we don't have Marxist apologists like O'Reily in the British medical
     
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  9. gent

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    So Fox News leaning to the right should excuse just about everything else leaning pretty heavily to the left? MSNBC is much worse for what it's worth.


    Oh and there's enough marxist apologists in the BBC. <whistle>
     
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  10. PINKIE

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    <laugh>

    I think you and I must have a very different definition of Left Wing, if you think the US media leans to the left.
     
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  11. gent

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    Would they have to support the Socialist Party of America to lean left according to you? Based on their own admission and campaign contributions for candidates, it tells you enough.


    Just looking at the Obama administration scandals that were broken much earlier, and have just months after re-election started to get reported (outside of Fox News, ironically?) in the main-stream media should tell you enough.
     
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  12. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    Would they include the ex Tory MP Chris Patten or the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson who is an ex chairman of the Young Conservatives
     
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  13. gent

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    Anyway I didn't intend to make this about politics, the point is Cinema censorship in "southern states" doesn't exist as TT falsely claimed.

    I could go on (based on existing regulations) for hours on why I'm saying there is less censorship in the US than the EU, if you want but that is very straightforward to research on your own.


    In the US the police also don't arrest people for calling a person names on twitter, so they also have that going for them! <doh>
     
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  14. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    I think Monaco were forced to play a game in an empty stadium due to crowd trouble
     
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  15. PINKIE

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    The Obama administration is not a left wing outfit.
     
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  16. PINKIE

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    Anybody else baffled as to why Chelsea have bought another creative MF player ? Don't get me wrong, I think it's funny that they stole him from under the noses of the spuds, he would have been the one player out of the bunch they've bought that would add real quality, but why Chelsea ?

    Some people are saying that they'll offer Mata as part of a Rooney deal, but I'm not sure Utd will sell Rooney to Chelsea.
    Mata to Arsenal however ?????
     
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  17. gent

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    Sure it is.

    You look at the starting point, and you see at where he's trying to go. No person's politics can change a country like the US to the glory days of Soviet Union (<laugh>) in 8 years.
     
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  18. PINKIE

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    Like I said, our definition of Left Wing must vary if you think the Democrats are Left Wing.
     
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  19. gent

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    They are. And the Tories are barely center, if not left of center.

    It is Europe as a whole that has steadily gone to the left in terms of social programs, government intrusion, and what not, and not the US to the right. That Europe has still a form of free market system is an inevitability, if you are referring to that. It is after all the only system with a chance of working. <laugh>
     
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  20. PINKIE

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    You missed out a <laugh> at the end of your first sentence.
     
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