The IFS stats are as about as accurate as the employment stats, all doctored to suit the current government so they can say oh look how well we are doing. Contractors are not the issue, it is invariable cheaper to hire contractors as opposed to permanent employees for obvious reasons and those contractors have no protection and are getting paid more but often get no benefits or health cover ect, get sick and you don't get paid in many cases. What takes the weight off the lower to low-medium incomes is what you get for the tax you pay, instead we are getting hit with all these other little charges, even motorists have become targets for generating revenue through fines. It just get worse and worse for the income brackets I just mentioned. In the UK and Ireland you get **** all for the tax you pay. In Ireland electricity for a lot of people nearly €200 per month in winter for me it is, creche for 2 children €2000, rent if you rent for a small family, mine is €1200, €3400 before I put a sausage in my mouth, pertol in the car, or a shirt on my back or pay school fees ect ect I moved to Finland had enough of it. In that respect I agree with Norway Jack, you have to deal with your own situation rather than get angry at the whole situation that you can't do anything about because the system is now designed to eat your ever dwindling disposable income. Add to that everything is price fixed. Tax is high but creche 1 kid, €125 per month, 3 winter months electricity €92, just got a letter saying the price is coming down a little. We've 2 kids so we basically save €1750 a month on creche and €500 every 3 months on leccy so while I am paying higher tax of about nearly 3k a year I save and I **** you not €17,500 on creche fees and €2000 on electricity every year. Car tax is high but the winters are seriously hard on the roads so it's to be expected. I'm about €16,000 a year better off on the same wage even with higher taxes, compared to Ireland. In the Uk I'd be maybe 3k better off than in Ireland. The UK and Ireland are being run by ****ing idiots
Crew managers, yes. Below that level in the hierachy they can start on about £20,000 and find themselves at that level for several years, it will be interesting to see what next years salary will be with the Government wanting to slash it like they have done for the police force, those guys will now find themselves earning just £23,000 and it is illegal for them to strike about it.
Hold on a minute, the BBC are reporting the publication of the figures, not asserting them as an unchallengeable fact - its their job. The figures may be warped but don't blame the Beeb for that.
Basic wage for Police/Firefighter when trained is not far under the £30k mark. Good mate of mine is a firefighter, with overtime and a crazy amount of holidays, he takes home over £35k.
I didn't say they were civil servants . I said they are public sector workers which they are,who pays their wages ? Exactly !
Its Because these tories want to privatize everything that we are in the financial mess we are in...end of..... wait until they finally privatize the post office and they massively put up postage where it will cost over a £ to send a basic letter that will in turn put every other thing up to cover the cost.....If i was younger i would leave this country as its making the poor live in poverty and 3rd world standards...
Let answer your replies mate. 1 . £500 a day, is the exception rather h the rule, so your being slightly deluded in your answer as its not a fair representation of the contracting industry. 2 . Yes the old argument about them actually fding themselves! if the private sector stopped paying tax and didn't prop up the public sector it wouldn't b long before all the money in the country run out. You pay a small percentage but so you should as you use public services too. 3 . Again you are showing how little you know about the contracting industry, do you really believe everyone who works in the contracting industry(casual workers,brick layers,plasterers,site labourers,plumbers,carpentors,scaffholders etc ) earns £500 a day!! jeez you are deluded my friend.And your flippent point about me "doing it wrong" is not really relevant here though I do earn a 6 figure sum nowadays,not bad for someone doing it wrong I guess 4 . I know this is not true factually as my ex was a clerical officer on low pay who secured a morage on a low income, again you don't seem to be very worldly in your views, the bigger picture you talk about seems to be very small in your world. 5. Why don't you work in the public sector ? and if you don't what relavence does this whole thread have ? its like me complaining about life in a wheel chair ven though im able bodied !! this thread is a load of old bollocks then as you don't actually believe or support anything you/ve written really. 6. How am I the problem? again your whole argument seems to be based on the fact that a contractor earns £500 a day !!... how daft can you possibly be to think that, just because that's been your experience it doesn't make it the truth !! you talk like your about 17 or 18 yrs old with no real grasp of the fact that there are variables in terms of payment. My personal view on all of this is that I don't be grudge people what they earn, I do however get wound up when people start moaning about a situation that is far better than the majority of this country are in, many many people don't earn the wages of public sector workers,many contractors don't either. You are falling into the classic divide and rule trap, people moaning about stuff is a load of bollocks,dont moan about it do something about it !! What makes this thread even worse is we have the OP moaning about something he isn't even part of !!... I don't wish for Project to lose his job like he wished on me though, I think that was a bit childish, I do however tend to not buy into how bad everything always is for us. Sure thing times are hard right now, but I can garentee you the majority of the world has it a lot worse than us! we still as people have the education oppourtunities and the ability to better ourselves if we wish, that's something many others don't have. My view is that compared to many other industries like contracting for example the public sector gets an easy ride,its only in the last couple of years we've really heard them all bleating as they have been living in the bubble that most people would have died for, the majority of people have been struggling on the sharp end of life for a lot longer than the public sector but now that they are also in the firing line they somehow expect sympathy that they never thought twice about giving to the rest of us Private or public sector don't mean a ****ing thing anyway, the more we talk about this the more we play into the governments hands, they want us to hate each other, I don't hate Project for his views though he wishes im out of work quite soon, one of us is already being manipulated and one of us isn't, i'll leave everyone else to decided which one that is ..
"Private or public sector don't mean a ****ing thing anyway, the more we talk about this the more we play into the governments hands, they want us to hate each other, I don't hate Project for his views though he wishes im out of work quite soon, one of us is already being manipulated and one of us isn't, i'll leave everyone else to decided which one that is" You both are.
I also have to add, police and firemen can earn a cracking living between 30 - 40k a year and I don't begrudge them it what so ever . its exactly the same with contractors earning £500 a day,well done to them and if somebody wants to pay it then so be it
But you still felt the need for a WORSE than Daily Mail rant! The Tories will laugh their way to a win in the next election due to discussions like this
The Tories have divided and conquered for as long as I can remember, and until the British people develop some back bone, and start striking and hitting the government hard, and where it hurts, then nothing will change, it will be the same old. If this country ever votes the scum Torrie's back into power after what they have been up to these last few years, with the poor, disabled and disadvantaged, then this country and its people deserve everything they get, and the 2011 Tottenham Riots will be just the tip of the iceburg!........................... please log in to view this image
Are you sure that's Tottenham mate, looks like St Marys's st in Cardiff on a Saturday night !.. I agree with what you say though, as you know ive been saying similar for ages, moanibout stuff wont fix anything,we are at the point in our country where strong action is needed, its the people paying the bills and keeping the wheels turning if they all stopped only then would the government listen, they are terrified of this happening hence why immigration has been ignored, they know there is a potential stealth workforce available to them ,the longer its left the easier it will become to dictate the agenda
When you think that it was the working class, that sat back and did bugger all, when the Torrie's levied this iniquities bedroom tax, something that they new most council Tennant's could do nothing about, matter of fact it's been reported that 96% of those caught in this spare bedroom scam of the Torrie's could do nothing about it, because there are not the properties in the system to down size, as the Torrie's sold them off under Thatcher, and they new this before they went ahead with the scumbag scheme, yet how many bedrooms do they have in their 1st house, 2nd house, and mansions? Forget politics, nothing but a bloody revolution will stop this scum, we have running this country!................
Agree, but when anarchy does eventually come, it will not be just 56 officers injured!....................
And a massive strike will not help neither, at least not at this instant of time because Thatcher showed that such things need not even be done from this country. Norway, I am not entirely sure what part of contracting out you are referring to, but when it comes to public sector agencies (as opposed to companies contracting to other companies) then the wages are always unbelievably high. Most, if not all, agency contractors are earning over £100,000 for working on government contracts. A lot of them earn more than the Prime Minister even though he is supposedly higher ranked than them. I am getting the feeling that you are not working for a public sector body?
