The Institute of Fiscal Studies, IFS, and the BBC has come out with one of the most blatant and disgusting lies that is going to put massive pressure on millions of families in the UK. "In 2009, the average public-sector worker earned about £16.60 per hour, which dropped to about £15.80 in 2011, the IFS said." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23655605 That ridiculous bit of drivel means the average wage across the 6,000,000 public servants is a whopping £33,180 a year!!! If you know someone who works for the NHS, Police, Fire Service, DVLA etc... Ask them how much they earn!! The extreme majority are on less than £18,000 a year and that I know to be absolute fact! For every level 1 employee (£16,000) there is just 1 level 2 employee (£18,000). A level 3 public servant earns £22,000 and there are about 10 level 2's for every level 3. Together these three lowest hierarchy employees make up over 90% of public servant jobs. F***ing sack everyone in the IFS linked with the bulls**t figures the BBC should be ashamed for deliberately supporting such claims intended to cause division. It is rubbish like this that will lead to more families out of there job to appease the public who actually believe the crap being reported!!
Don't forget teachers also. Probably why the figure is so high. However, other than teachers, I don't know of anybody who is on anywhere near that sort of money in the public sector. Edit: They could also have stated that the average UK wage has fallen (in real terms) by around 5-6,000 since the Tories and their Lib Dem poodles came into power.
I know two teachers who teach at comprehensive level... They complain the salary is rubbish the last time one of them told me the salary it was just £21,000 and that was just a couple of years ago. I would not be surprised if they deliberately included contractor staff like those who work for IBM!!
Teacher salary for teacher's outside head of departments, head of years etc is 21,000-34,000. The salary increases yearly on experience. So a teacher who has taught for 10 years for example would probably be on the 34,000 a year bracket, but that is all changing with the prick Gove changing the salary conditions of teachers, whilst MPs have set up a body to review MPs salaries and came to the recommendation that they should be given a £7,000 a year pay rise
I got no sympathy with any of this thread , I've been contracting for years and nobody ever gave a flying **** about what I was getting screwed for! If you guys believe in it strongly enough stand up for yourselves and strike,not for a day where most of you don't bother standing on the picket line but go shopping instead but for a longer time. Your options are simple really, if you don't like it 1. Do something about it. 2. Find a better paid job and leave the cushy safety net of public sector working. 3. Move to a different country 4. Accept it and be thankful you actually have a job 5. Go extreme and plan a course of long term union action
They are underpaid Mikra, tax is approx 20% at source, plus more for National Insurance, than all products are taxed at 20% including most foods, then various other taxes on top of the tax. Rent is average of 30% of income, utility bills can be as high as £350 over 3 months, fuel tax is about 85%. Most civil servants have less than £250 of real disposable income over a month, so anything like broken down car hits very hard. All over cash goes on taxes, food, utilities, rent/mortagage... Basically things that must be bought every month. The rest is theirs to spend as they wish unless something is needed which can and does destroy their savings. Imagine saving that £250 for a year, then some scum steals the family car. Insurance will not pay out for at least 6 months as they drag their feet, all that saving is gone on a new car they needed just to be able to get to work and they are back to square one, the insurance payout barely pays for the remaining finance on the new car. They have a car no better than the last but £3,000 less even though the car was insured against theft. That's the good old UK for you.
Mikra- they think they are under payed But in terms of what other people do for a living they are on average better off with proper benefits and pension schemes that the majority of workers outside the public sector don't have. They should be payed more but so should most other people and you don't hear them constantly moaning !
Well if that is your attitude it makes make a little happier you won't have a job in a few years when the contractor rip off culture falls apart, and government is forced to work from in house again to cut 80% of its costs. Contractors are never worse off when in a job, and if a contractor cannot get work he/she need to look at their ridiculous wage demands and lower it to real world levels. No offence though.
It's the same Picture over here, except for the taxes and living costs (cars for that matter are taxed 300%) are a lot higer...
It's ridiculous. Your government probably works in the same way at this moment in time. Lets talk about the agency that administrates the vehicle and driving licencing, they have these computer systems where they employ contractors (both commercial such as IBM and private such as an unattached matter expert) who will charge massively over the odds. Here in the UK the DVLA has about 8,000 employee's but the cost of paying them is alot less than what they have to pay IBM and the private contractors, and all the work can be done in house. They government could tell these companies and contractors they have 1 year left then that is it, they will employ directly. The contractors and companies will moan but the whole system will carry on without them. They could even tell IBM that they want new equipment but only at discounted rates, if IBM refuse they easily tell them they will go to a competitor and never give them money for any future products... IBM would cave. Little profit is better than no profit. If the triple dip recession hits hard, and it is predicted it will within the next few years, this is what will happen and suddenly our government costs will be slashed.
The Funding dissappearing from the public sector and social services is everday news here: yesterday it was schollarships for university students, before that the cuttingback/ removal of free medicare today it's the limitation of transport subsidue (???) for families with handicapped children...
You sum up my point perfectly, your using exactly the same logic as your op but in reverse. Most people contracting do a proper days work for a proper days pay and don't make good money compared to the average public sector worker who basically sits on their arse and moans about everything all the time before taking 4 months off with stress and get paid for it ! You should also remember that it's those very same people working in the contracting industry/private sector that are paying your public sector wages. With regards to me not having a job in a few years time,well that just shows how naive you are ! In contracting your lucky to be working in the same place in 3 6/12 months! being flexible and being able to travel to find work is the name of the game . Your comments prove to me that you have no clue about the real world and how difficult it is for people outside of public sector life. Many can't afford a pension scheme, many cannot get mortgages because they are classed as a temporary worker ! You don't Seem to have your finger on the pulse of real life,which I guess is normal if you work in the public sector Your all a bunch of lazy ****s in the public sector and if you could all do your jobs properly there would no need to hire in contractors to fix all your problems for you
So then if the public sector is as bad as you claim Norway, how is it then that it is the private sector that has ****ed up the world's economies?
Arnt the people who work for our government and who de regulated the banking system public sector workers?...I rest my case
Answers in red. Your whole argument seems to think I am a public sector worker, I am not, I am a private sector worker who knows how both sectors of work ticks along.
No. Politicians are not classed of public sector workers. That there is another misconception in your argument, if we are to classify them, then they are closer to contractors. A politician being a civil servant is not possible in our democracies, they can only advise public sector agencies and set budgets and arrange for contracts for those public agencies. Public servants must then act upon those orders. A public agency must remain seperate from a political party for neutrality reasons, when politicians become public servants then we are a communist state.
