Suarez News (#ONTOPIC)
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He has served his own ego helpings of disappointment, not treating the club with disdain, this as far as he is concerned is all about him, what he wants and how he can get it.
He's trying to now justify his actions and at the same time wash off some of the shame from the way he acted
Dreams may come true Suarez....
http://www.beinsport.tv/news/article/1hwzqucnj2gy51vowrv7mk8zp0/title/bale-talks-hit-snag
http://www.beinsport.tv/news/article/1hwzqucnj2gy51vowrv7mk8zp0/title/bale-talks-hit-snag
god i ****ing hope so.
be glad when this ****e is over, who we going to get in though?
Eriksen,Papa maybe.
I would say ( this is me):
Banega, Damiao, Alderwield, CIssokho. CM, ST, CB,LB
Who I think we really will get? No clue anymore, will just have to see.
Its fine for Rodgers and Henry to talk about respecting the club and the fans but now they have to do the same by finding the players that we need to mount a serious challenge this season and signing them.
Absolutely right. If they know he has no future then lets do the signings now and say **** you Suarez,we just don't need you and all the ****e you bing with you
Spurs want €116 million for Bale
We only want half that for Suarez!! Real, what are you doing?!?! 58mil euros and he's yours
Firstly, that wasn't his assertion mate, he was saying that it was the fans idolising players like Suarez & creating 'superstars' within a team, that was to blame for his behaviour, which is total tripe.
I made the connection with the cash element, not Barnes & whilst yes, ultimately football wouldn't exist without the fans handing over their money is some, way, shape or form, there's a massive leap from analysing the roots of professional football, to then blaming the consumer for creating the behaviour of the beast.
The consumer is the victim not the perpetrator in football in general. Its the supporter that pays over the odds, has daft KO times to contend with, exorbitant TV subscriptions etc etc. The victim ultimately feeds the beast financially, but they didn't create it nor it's behavioural traits.
In any case, not every pro behaves like a twat, in some way Barnes was looking to deflect the issue onto the broader spectrum of the game (successfully if this thread is an indicator), rather than focus on the twat in question. A twat, who let's not forget, Mr Barnes fiercely defended on more than one occasion, so maybe he had his own face saving agenda when he went on air this morning...................
Barnes:
“I said when [Fernando] Torres signed [for Liverpool], ‘don’t fall in love with him because if he decides he’s going to go, don’t be surprised’. And I said the same about Suárez.
“This is the future of modern football we have created. The media and especially the fans have empowered players too much to make them feel that a) they are better than their team-mates and b) they’re better than their clubs.
“We’ve seen it at Arsenal where so many players have left because Arsenal cannot match their ambitions, and the fans are the ones who have created this superstar culture whereby you’ve separated the team and the superstars to feel more important than the club."
Isn't that the same thing I said?
I can see where Barnes is coming from, fans raise up some players higher than others till they believe their own hype. It's the resulting environment that produces the prima donnas. Ultimately each is responsible for their own actions but not for the environment that has been created [by the fans via the money machine] where those with 'I'm more important than you' attitude play out those tendencies.
If 'consumers are victims' they are willing victims. It's a vicious circle akin to the multitude of gossip mongering Hello type outlets - which came first supply or demand?
I meant that the discussion (including your comment), had moved to include the financial element of the game, I was merely pointing out that he never referenced that in his interview.
For Barnes to be right i.e. that it's the supporters who are to blame, it'd have had to have always been that way. As football fans have always had players that they build up as the 'stars' of the game, from the start of professional football this has always been the case & its common sense that some players will be viewed as better & therefore more important than the rest.
His entire piece was a deflection, a deflection that suited his prior embarrassing backing of the player he'd been rung to discuss.
As for fans being willing victims, I suppose we are, we know we're being abused but we keep queuing up for it. But I think the entire fan issue is a red herring in relation to the behaviour of the likes of Suarez, who are nothing more than self obsessed, mercenary, sportsmen, who are being advised by hard nosed businessmen looking to extract every last ounce of value from their sporting careers.
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Wish people would remember that £50m coming in would give us some transfer funds but we'd only be saving one top level wage!
Yeah you're right .. [that was hard to type] .. Barnes didn't talk about finances but as your earlier post did, I was referencing that back into the discussion.
I don't know that it's always been that way. Just for a start, the 'stars' of my day didn't even have their names on their shirts, couldn't choose what number they played - the position determined the number on your back, lived in modest houses, drove modest cars, if they drove at all - as fans we didn't know. Dave and I had this discussion the other day, he never had an idol it was the team he supported and most agreed with him. There was nothing to set e.g. Hunt apart from the rest of the team - there just weren't superstars. The celebrity status is relatively new, as I said fans demand it or there wouldn't be a market for it.
I don't actually think Suarez is motivated by money btw, I've always said he's a product of his environment - a petulant child grew up to be a petulant adult.
Can see this happening with Coutinho in a couple of years.
Think it depends on where we are at. Have we at least qualified for CL ( maybe not every year but showed we can do it), did we win some trophies? Have we bought some good players? All these should factor in.