Never got a hiding like that? Eh Fergie?

it pains me to say it , we all wrote united off at the start of this season and said they would struggle to get top 4 and look where they finished top of the pile with 9 points to spare.

 

No they weren't they strolled to the final,and lost to the only team that tackled their players.I still believe that Real Madrid would have given United a similar hiding to the one they inflicted on Spurs.Schalke were poorer than the FC Zurich team that Liverpool thrashed 6-1 on aggregate in the semi final in 1977.

 

Braga guys?? Losing the Europa two years in a row? Blackpool twice?? Whos laughing now, least we made it to the final!

 

Braga guys??? Blackpool?? 19 titles and you have the cheek to mouth about a Champions League final which has been how long for you??

 

KingPepeReina

thats a totally ilogical statement to make, the competition starts with 32 teams, you play 6 group games and then a random draw is made, united deserved their place in the final and you cant say they didnt, you also have to be in it to win it, where were we oh thats right getting a beating by braga of all teams, it seems a few of us are all to ready to dig the knidfe into a side that won its domestic league, got a runenrs up medal in the most prestigious club competition in the world, and got an fa cup semi final too, not bad going considering we finished 6th, got knocked out in the last 16 of the Europa League, the 3rd round of the FA cup to United.

our season was an embarrasement compared to theirs, id love to see united fail as much as the next guy but im not deluded enough to try take pot shots at a club that consistently wins the big trophies while we dream of what may be.

 

Firstly.
They weren't owned by two parasites that almost put the club out of existence and dragged it through the courts.Secondly they weren't managed by Roy Hodgson for 5 months of the season.How successful would have they been if they were managed by Bryan Robson,someone of the similar standard to Hodgson.What Kenny did was nothing short of a miracle.Liverpool went to hell and back last season.They hit rock bottom,and when you hit bottom the only way is up.Liverpool are stronger now for what they went through,and if bottom is 7th,then it means that the top is achievable in less time than the media and biased outsiders think it is.
The fans are united,the players are united,The owners want what the fans want,and the King is back,and he manages like a fan.Look at his face every time Liverpool score,its the same as when he scored himself.Hands raised and that famous beaming smile.He's kicking every ball,he's clearing balls off the line.Its a joy to behold,I'm 100% convinced we're back.
Man United didn't go through any of this.I wonder how they would react if they did.

 

KingPepeReina

ah i see excuses and more excuses?

So hicks and gillette were owners for the last 20 years? thats the last time we won a league.

Hodgson wasnt great but he was also never given a chance to make his stamp on the side, the only money he had to spend he spent on meireles and that was a brilliant signing the rest ie knoch and poulsen he was limited to funds and that was the best available for the pittance we had to spend. he made the most of a bad situation.

When hodgson took over it was seen as a rebuilding program that would take a few years, he was given 5months.

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How successful would have they been if they were managed by Bryan Robson
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even more ifs and buts. its like saying what if kenny hadnt left us all those years ago, you cant say because it never happened. base your arguments on fact not delusion and self proclomation.

United are going through similar finiancial issues to us what are you on about their cowboy owners are using the club the drain its resources by paying off their family debts yet they keep on winning.

i agree about kenny but your argument is so self centred and biased its unbearable to read and if i am honest your probably a teenage liverpool fan who doesnt have the understanding of the game yet to even contemplate the achievements united have had this season, despite a disappointing end.

The facts are, their is no shame getting beaten by arguably the greates set of players to ever grace the game they are the facts, and despite the fact i hate united i can still recognise their achievements.

 

Better players wah wah wah....Jesus with your excuses you sound like a Man United fan.
Had AC Milan got better players than Liverpool in 2005.Yes,Were Traore,Harry Kewell and Milan Baros on paper a match for Shevchenko,Pirlo and Maldini..of course not.But Liverpool won.Having better players counts for nothing as Man City's squad is light years ahead of Uniteds and United won the league.
Evertons had better players than Liverpool in 1986 and Everton won nothing and Liverpool won the double.
Newcastle had better players than Man United in 1996,but Man United had the better team.
This is a stupid reason and isn't worth debating.I believe that you should think before you post.All teams can be beaten if the atitude is right.Man United lost the CL final not because Barcelona had better players,but because their atitude stunk.Upsets do happen,when one teams atitude is right and the others isn't.
One prime example regarding Liverpool was against Wimbledon in 1988.One commentator called it ''The crazy gang vs the culture club''.The crazy gang won because their atitude was right and Liverpools wasn't.

 

KingPepeReina

I havent had any excuses ive talked about fact and what did and did not happen they are not excuses they are actual events, that actually took place, rather than your if they had brian robson as manager blah blah blah.

Sorry your opinion on who had better players is irrelevant, its not about payers and individuals its about a team, and a team wins things united won the league for crying out loud whats your excuse for that? we already know your excuse as to why they got the final, because they got an easy draw LOL, so what was our excuse for getting beaten by europe new boys braga? that finished 4th in their division closer to the relegation zone than top.

 

You're excuse for Man United losing the CL final is not based on facts....Its based on excuses.As I pointed out,Man United did NOT play as a team against Barcelona...far from it. They played like a bunch of headless chickens,and it had not got anything to do with Barcelona having better players.I think you should return to the Man United board as you're obviously a wum disguising yourself as a Liverpool fan.

 

Not really random though is it. The groups are seeded to give the better teams more of a chance to win their groups and then the 1st knockout stage defined by group position (AND club country of origin) meaning that if by some fluke Man Utd win their group and Chelsea by some fluke finish 2nd in another then Man Utd wont play them, this means you never hit a challenge until the last 8 when the draw is unseeded

 

Bozz.
Spot on.
Even like in 2005-2006 season,when Liverpool met Chelsea in the group stages,they couldn't meet again until the qtr final,when it was an open draw.They couldn't meet in the second round.The top sides for UEFA financial purposes are kept apart until at least the qtr final when it comes to knock-outs.

 

KingPepeReina

no MY REASON that united didnt win cl final was because they played a BETTER team, and argualgly the BEST group of players the game has ever seen, no excuses their my friend non what so ever.

Bozz i take that point on board but at the end of the day, you cant just fluke your way to a champions league final, and if you say you do then it makes a laughing stock out of our club, if the champions league is so easy to win, or get the final why is it that for the second year running we havent qualified for it, let alone not even qualified for any kind of european football?

you cannot have it both ways to suit your arguments (not directed at you this one bozz)

 

liverpool 3 Arsenal 6
Benfica 3 Liverpool 0
Chelsea 4 Liverpool 1

Big defeats???

 

I agree, You can't fluke your way to the final but UEFA does a lot to help big teams stay big. I haven't done the research but if you counted the amount of different teams that have been in the last 8 over the last 10 years it would probably be less then 20 and odds are that if you are there then have a good chance to make the final and anything can happen over 90 minutes.

Because we have had an extenuating circumstance with regards to ownership, transfer policy and a manager out of his depth

 

Bozz.
Thats the point I was making before that Arabian guy butted in and spouted rubbish,and guess what he's still at it again making excuses for why Man United lost last week...and he claims to be a Liverpool fan.His excuse that Barcelona had ''better players and a better team'' doesn't wash with me.Hadn't AC Milan got ''better players and a better team''' in 2005 when we beat them?Thats not the reason why Man United lost,they lost because they played like headless chickens and Ferguson got his overall tactics like he did in 2009 totally wrong.

 

Lol I have just seen one or your earlier posts saying we would have beaten Barcelona in that game and then have yhe nerve to say im posting rubbush. You do remember we failed to score past braga in two legs and they knocked us out hiw on earth do you think we would beat barca its not just about tackling the they have the ability and technique to deal with that real tried and failed miserably.

 

The hilarious thing about this that no other team would have been able to live with Barcelona on Saturday. In laughing at United you are effectively laughing at your own team! This Barcelona team has dominated Europe over the past 6 years. winning 3 Champions League titles. In this period United have reached 3 finals and have won their domestic league (the best in the world) 4 times. Nobody else in Europe can compare to that except Barcelona. Not even Real Madrid. This Barcelona team is the best club side the World has ever seen. They will go on to win more titles and European Cups there is no doubt about that. So after this season if losing to this Barca team is all you can laugh at then that shows how highly you all must rate United. Not to mention obsessed with them.

Also the 4-1 was a thrashing? Really? 2 set pieces and two Wimbledon balls over the last defender isnt exactly a hammering...

 

It aint about what they deserved, they were the better team in each tie to the final. Noone disputes that.

What I don't like is the way it works. Barca beat the best of the rest on the way to the final in Madrid, United made the final but were most certainly not the second best team in europe, even 3rd debatable.
Marseille, awful weak performance, chelsea, couldn't pass 10 yards without giving it to a united player, and schalke, none of these games were a challenge befitting a final spot, but you can only beat what is in front of you, but this was probably the easiest path to a final for a while for a team, even Barca, who are superior to united in every sense had a more difficult time making it to the final and had to work harder to pass Madrid, clearly the second best team in europe this season.

Lets just say this format and the old provided chances for a easy path but it is far more common to meat a string of sheite in this format plainly beause there are far more of them in this format with a much larger fitter squad to navigate through hte games, yeah actually, this format is easier by far at times,others not as in if you are not seeded

 

In the group stages Man United played ONE decent team Valencia who currently are a pale shadow of the Valencia team managed by Rafa Benitez.They thought Barcelona were tough.Valencia under the stewardship of Rafa and Pako Ayesteran were the keep ball specialists in Spain.
They are played two non entities in Rangers and Buraspor.(Who)And they have the brass balls to mock some of the teams we knocked out en route to our 4 European Cups from 1977-1984.
They played Marseille in the knock-out stages,who currently are a pale shadow of the side Liverpool thrashed in France a few years back.
Chelsea in the qtrs were a mess.
Schalke were poorer than the FC Zurich team that Liverpool knocked out in the semis in 1977.
Barcelona had a real route to the final,Arsenal,Real Madrid.
So do not give me this guff that Man United were the second best team in Europe when its clearly obviously that Real Madrid were.