If you acted like that in a pub, you'd be ejected. If it was him making those posts, he knew what the result would be. Free speech doesn't include the right to be abusive.
But he wasn't in a pub, it's a public free for all forum, what do you expect when discussing such a passionate issue as F1, I'm not saying he was correct and he has a need guidance but imposition of someones else's ideals is the same as whats happening in Syria and Egypt not to mention Bahrain or the entire middle east for that matter.
But it's not a free-for-all. There are quite clear boundaries set out for conduct. He chose to step outside of those.
It's not a free for all. There's a house rules thread which clearly states that you are expected to be civil, respect others views and avoid personal insults. Manny consistently broke those rules and refused to calm down even getting to the stage of using racism and daring the mods to ban him (IIRC). They had no choice and if anything he's lucky it's only a cooldown. There's a key difference between censoring his views and preventing him from being needlessly abusive and disruptive.
As Julius says, it is not a 'free-for-all'. If it were there would be total anarchy and all the Joey Zyla's etc would be free to disrupt the place at will. Would you be happy with that? Everytime there is a topic of conversation it is over-run with mindless idiots spouting insults? If you like that kind of thing, feel free to post in the 'General Chat' thread where there are no rules and was specifically set up so people could do and say what they wish without fear of censorship. This however is a forum about F1 and its members should be allowed to post at will, WITHOUT expecting to be verbally abused by others. It's a matter of plain decency. House rules are there for a reason http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/111335-House-Rules so 'civil' minded people can enjoy the forum. There are many other forums about for those who just wish to vent their frustration on life. If Manny has got issues, then they are deeper rooted than we can help him with, however it seems he was just either angry or spoiling for a fight.
If you like that kind of thing, feel free to post in the 'General Chat' thread where there are no rules and was specifically set up so people could do and say what they wish without fear of censorship. This however is a forum about F1 and its members should be allowed to post at will, WITHOUT expecting to be verbally abused by others. It's a matter of plain decency. House rules are there for a reason http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/111335-House-Rules so 'civil' minded people can enjoy the forum. There are many other forums about for those who just wish to vent their frustration on life. Thank you for considering my use of the General Chat thread may be appropriate, however I don't need the likes of you and your 'civil' minded superior approach to preach manners to me. I was brought up during the immediate post war period by a God fearing family and know how to behave in public, and unlike some can tolerate and have over the years been subjected to considerable abuse, but still believe censure is not the way to deal with the likes of Manny. Recently a fellow employee of the company I work for had occasion to attack me physically, my reaction was to swiftly subdue him forcefully and reason with him whilst maintaining control, I did not report the situation as he would have lost his job, he is married with a young family, what would I have gained, nothing. Talking is alway's the way forward, just leave out the emotion.
says the person who directed the phrase "Crap troll is crap..." at me and asked others if i'd "buggered off". Oh and look allsaintchris is here too, rather ironically talking about being able to post here without being verbally abused by others, funny you also seem to forget that whilst also labeling me a "troll" straight after your buddy there did. Maybe you should perhaps practice what you preach?
My old MD boss once gave me the key to winning a business argument, its simply, work on the facts and leave out any form of 'EMOTION' and use time as a cooler, believe me it bloody well works, every time.
I'm going to park this argument, I think I've made my point, anyway I have better things to do, another bottle of Pinot Grigio has been spotted nicely chilled in the fridge.
Sorry mate but don't blame the victims for the actions of the aggressive. My recently ex-stepdad got thrown out of our house when he swore repeatedly at my mother and sister, I told him not to do that, he offered to fight me and eventually punched me when I attempted to reason with him. Not the first time he'd gotten angry or the last time we'd given him a final chance. Is that my fault for failing to reason with him sufficiently or provoking him? This place is a public forum, time's a great healer and we should definitely give people second chances but if you decide to just brush everything off then no-one's ever going to acknowledge the faults in their behaviour. Manny's started attacking people on here with vicious verbal abuse that would get one arrested if it was attempted in real life, and if you can find a comment where one of his victims resorted to the same in return then I would be just as horrified but don't say that it's our job to try and reason with someone, forgiveness is something people have to earn whereas refusing to put up with repeated aggression is just pattern recognition.
You sound like someone who should be doing one of those corporate management courses! It all works fine, until the individual you are working on does not conform to the course notes! Yes, in time someone will calm down, but why let them feel they are getting away with it? Lawless springs to mind. Also, the more they get away with it, the more they are likely to repeat what they did first time. Eventually if someone is ignored for long enough they will go away because generally they are merely attention seeking and as soon as they realise they not getting the attention they will either go away, or do something more extreme to get notice again, however sometimes life is too short to sit around and take that level of crap from a person before you need to step in.
I come here to talk F1, not mother kids throwing tantrums. There's been a rise in friction around here of late, and those involved know exactly what they are doing... but I'll be buggered if I'm going to waste any more of my time on them.
It's probably society's fault that manny flipped, the person in the wrong never seems to be punished these days, it's always someone else's fault. In my eyes you should treat others how you expect to be treated yourself. The Internet shouldn't be an excuse to act like a horrid person. I have no time for those who feel abuse is acceptable.
