Hi Shakespeare,what coarse language for a site children might read.I really would be in trouble if I needed you to tell me what I think. You concentrate on your own little world my mate, make sure those Little Women are getting the packing done for your 2 weeks in Margate-away from the Scum.
Will be very interesting to see what happens between Reading and Juventus, if too many clubs follow this I wouldnt be surprised to see the Football League/FA trying to close more of the loopholes e.g. a club can only permanently sign x number of players from one club
They might if they thought it would affect the National side here, but they're likely to also be aware that it does seem the majority of supporters put their club before country. Nothing been said on local radio re Reading, could be a top secret plan ...well surely couldnt be an inaccurate Daily Mail report concerning foreigners !
It is funny that Leicester started a thread to slag us off but when it seems all they could do was repeat the mantra "it's not fair" and our fans gave them facts and arguments they closed the thread down - saying it had been invaded by Hull trolls.
It's on the Ipswich board too - and is the most commented on thread on the front page, apart from one that's been going for 2 years. Has more comments than their transfer thread.... Watford are big time
http://philsam.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/the-flaws-in-watford-fcs-criticisms.html Good detailed response to the knockers. If you banned or punished every club or player who might have done something morally wrong you'd have about 12 teams left and about 50 players! Football lost much of its soul and morals some time ago if we are honest. We haven't cheated/broken any rules at any stage and its not our fault the FL said we had a "transfer embargo" which really wasn't true....
I agree that it is a good response. Unfortunately, judging by the vast majority of the other fans' criticisms, it will go right over their heads. They have made up their minds that Watford are cheating and nothing, even cogent discussion, is going to change their minds. When tackled on this, Watford fans should simply ignore the criticisms, turn their backs and get on with supporting our team.
It got closed down because there were pages of; "It's not fair" "It is fair" "It's not fair" "It is fair".....
It was actually pages of "its not fair because im ignorant of the facts" "it is fair and here are the facts to back it up and correct the lazy journalism" "its not fair and now im going to beat my chest like a gorilla and shout and scream and ignore the facts before me" "it is fair and here are the facts again." People refused to listen and insist on taking the daily fail and other rags word as gospel. If people listened to what the Watford fans were saying its a lot more fair and justified. But why let fact and truth ruin a good slagging match?
Obviously i agree with you Dan but I do think when supposedly respectable media organisations like the BBC get it wrong you cannot really blame people for taking it at face value. The Mail isn't respectable in my eyes but if casual observers don't know about the year long vendetta that's been waged against us then you can understand why they would accept it.
Well it wasn't was it? There were plenty of well reasoned facts from either side of the debate just that they were regurgitated over and over again. Leicester fans were giving their well reasoned points of view (you've found a loophole, makes a mockery of the football league ect) and your supporter gave theirs (no rules broken). But alas, i'm not going to waste my time with the debate again. It got nowhere and was going nowhere which is why we deleted it. What does the Daily Mail have to do with it? Do people actually read it?
The Daily Mail is the biggest reason for all this. They are constantly printing factually light or incorrect pieces to insight these types of debates. This dross appeared over the weekend. But what it the point of it? They are just trying to cause arguements. They have nothing better to do, they could comment on the fantastic performance by Anya, or the defensive mix-ups, but they are less provocative. The point about a loophole is factually incorrect. If we have found a loophole so as every other team who have paid for a player. Both are just as legal, there are no rules stopping it! Its black and white, there is no shade of grey! The rules allow it! Even the most ignorant and unintelligent can see that! As for making a mockery of football so does owners sponsoring their own clubs to avoid the FFP rules and buying the naming rights to the stadium. But thay was stopped, there is a reason the FA and FL have allowed us to do this, because they are happy we are operating within the rules.
All the media is at it Dan - in the express yesterday they were talking about failed mega buys and mentioned one Gianluigi Lentini - a little harsh given that after his transfer he was involved in a very serious car crash which all but ended his career!
But you havn't paid for players in the same way anyone else would have to. If we wanted Anya from Granada then i'd imagine we'd have to pay a very hefty sum because he's a fine player. But you've been able to get him for free due to your links with your owners' other clubs. Legal? Absolutely. There are no rules against what you're doing. Unfair? Possibly. You're avoiding paying big transfer fees for quality players. Very shady with FFP. Loophole? Definitely. There is no shame in it. Everyone would have jumped on it in your position but you've avoided rules by doing it (maximum number of foreign loan players reached, possibly avoiding FFP regulations) which makes it a loophole.
But its fair for teams like yours to pay over inflated fees and wages which teams like Watford, Yeovil and many others cannot afford? Maybe we should ban paying for players! what rules have we avoided? We loaned the players legally and have done as promised by signing them. There are no rules saying a club can only sign a certain number of foreign players and we always field the required number of homegrown players. A loophole is a grey area or an inconsistency in the laws, not when they simply permit the action.
Let us take Anya as an example. He has kicked around places like Wycombe where he was released. He failed to make first team football in Spain. You would have said that basically his career was going nowhere fast. The owners could see something about his style of play that they thought with the right coaching might make something out of him. Under GFZ he has had that coaching and already looks a different player. Yes, if you wanted him now you would have to pay a hefty sum, but if your scouting network compared with the one in place for us, you might have picked him up for very little. More than one of the players that have signed for Watford are untried at Championship level, or have been kicking around reserve sides. They have unproven ability often and it is the coaching that is turning them into quality players.
Funny Andy that you closed the thread on your board but want to come here to talk about it - perhaps it is just ours is a better forum? Fortunately our Mods do not close threads for repetition - if someone has something to say they are permitted to say it - boring threads close themselves eventually when nobody wants to contiribute further
Ask Jose Mourinho if our scouting system is any good. Doesn't take much scouting if your owners have said 'take a look at this guy'. Walsh brought players like Drogba and Essien to English football.
