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Suarez Transfer News.

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by goonercymraeg, Jul 24, 2013.

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Which should leave Arsenal for good>?

Poll closed Oct 18, 2013.
  1. Arsene Wenger

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  2. Stan Kroenke

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  1. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Firstly your definition of the US good faith negotiations does not mean "reaching a mutually agreeable outcome". Secondly, as LFC have no obligation other than informing Suarez they are perfectly free to refuse any offer or increase the fee or sell to another party. There is no agreement at £40,000,001. If you remember that offer was officially rejected.
     
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  2. Treat Williams

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    You implied that the £40m+£1 bid was praiseworthy but put in the caveat that you didn't want to sound like you were in favour of his decision (if it was indeed his decision). If you were, then just say so.
     
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  3. Foredeckdave

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    Not our fault your club looks silly and has left itself exposed in the transfer market. Just so unprofessional!!!!
     
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  4. Dubbed The New Wenger

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    Just face it mate. You have no clue whatsoever what's going on at the moment. Posting a few Mirror articles and assumptive/speculative Guardian threads means nothing.
     
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  5. astro

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    Respect? Humility? Decency? Competent negotiating skills?

    Pick one.
     
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  6. Mantis

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    The definition is not my own, it's a legal definition gleaned from another source, and a pretty reliable one at that. There was no clarification as to what the clause was for, if you remember. That's where this whole issue started, Arsenal put forth a bid claiming that it was in effect in one area, and Liverpool disputed it. To my knowledge, there's been no other contact between Liverpool and Arsenal because Liverpool have refused contact, i.e. no informing the player and no word about whether any negotiations have taken place. Therefore "good faith" negotiations have not taken place.
     
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  7. Foredeckdave

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    IF Arsenal were certain about the detail of the clause then they would have been prompting action either in the courts or via the Premiership. No action has been taken. The same would have held true for Suarez. The confirmation comes from outside of LFC.
     
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  8. Treat Williams

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    The first three barely register in the world of business, and the last is meaningless when the initial bid did what was required.
     
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  9. Dubbed The New Wenger

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    Things are still very early. They may very well do that. You sound more hopeful than anything tbh. And I don't blame you. Suarez is the only one at Liverpool who looks like he can return the ball from the direction it came from, or not trip over his own feet.
     
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  10. Dubbed The New Wenger

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    Yep. We should all take tips from Liverpool on how things are done in the transfer market.
     
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  11. Treat Williams

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    I think that's what every party has been from the start :smile:

    The sad thing is that it triggers off these stupid arguments between us all when we have no impact on proceedings and little idea of what is going on at each club.
     
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  12. Mantis

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    Fair enough. And it's the spurious newspaper articles which cause much of the confusion.
     
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  13. Foredeckdave

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    As far as the statement is concerned the limitation of good faith was to inform Suarez that a bid in excess of £40 million had been made. As there was no requirement upon Liverpool to open negotiations with a club at that figure then they were and are free to refuse the offer. The only contentious part concerned allowing Suarez to talk to Arsenal. As we have not heard that Suarez is protesting that he has not been allowed to talk to Arsenal then I think it is fair to assume that he has had that ability but chosen not to.

    Now Liverpool have not entered into negotiations with Arsenal. All Liverpool have done is to reject an offer and therefore there is no negotiation to which even the US doctrine could be said to apply. Liverpool have made it clear that they are not and do not seek any negotiations with Arsenal regarding Suarez.
     
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  14. Mantis

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    The way contracts usually work is that the buying club makes a bid for the player in question, called a preliminary bid. It's in order that they are able to contact the player and his agent for negotiations. The above bid has to be accepted by the selling club or else the buying club can be accused of tapping up (which happens a lot these days). In this particular contract however, I think Suarez and his agent were confused by the vague nature of the statement in the contract which stated that any bid over 40m would allow the player to be released, in the event of Liverpool not qualifying for the CL. I think Arsenal also had knowledge of this, or else they would not have bid 40m and 1 pound. As far as I can see, a few things can happen here in the event of a transfer. Arsenal can pay the 55m (they won't I think), or Suarez can put in a transfer request which has not happened yet. Which is why that sentence is in bold. I would agree with you when you say that your club haven't entered into negotiations with Arsenal. Yet. My advice to you, would be to avoid jumping to conclusions as I think there is a long way to go in this transfer window and many things could still happen.
     
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    If these reports are true, in all honesty can anyone really see Wenger paying 50 million plus for one player? No chance. The bid was a complete gamble, banking on Suarez kicking up a fuss. We should have got Higuain and got on with our lives. I'm appalled by the way this transfer window has gone so far and am close to condemning Wenger completely. He better pull something out of the bag before the window closes or I predict a disastrous season. Sort it out or **** off!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  16. lazarus20000

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    Not Wenger, he thinks our current squad is good enough to challenge for the title. Maybe he knows something that no one else knows about?
     
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  17. Skylarker

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    Liverpool's Luis Suárez stays clear of outside help over transfer

    • Premier League not involved in possible Arsenal move
    • Liverpool insist they have 'no obligation to sell' striker

    Luis Suárez in action for Liverpool
    Arsenal had hoped Luis Suárez would agitate for a transfer once they had triggered a clause in his Liverpool contract.


    Luis Suárez has not requested Premier League intervention in his contract dispute with Liverpool, one week on from Arsenal's club record bid of £40,000,001 for the Uruguay international.

    Arsenal had hoped the 26-year-old would agitate for a move from Anfield once they triggered what Suárez and his representatives believed to be a release clause in his contract. But, aside from telling Liverpool that he wants Champions League football next season, the striker has not sought outside assistance from the Premier League over the transfer.

    Liverpool maintain the clause entitles Suárez to be informed only of any offer over £40m and for the club to enter discussions with the bidding party should it wish to do so. Suárez could refer the matter to a Premier League regulatory commission, or his lawyers, but the organisation has not been approached by the striker or his representatives.

    A Liverpool source said: "We've all examined the clause in detail. All it obliges is good faith negotiations about Luis's future. There is absolutely no obligation to sell and that is very clear."
    http://www.theguardian.com/football/...nsfer-arsenal?
     
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  18. Batmoanu

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    In other news, the titanic has sunk.
     
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  19. Skylarker

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    **** that's terrible, how many died? Watching the news and no reports yet.
     
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  20. BBFs Unpopular View

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    You're <laugh> for so many reasons.
     
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