Vettel isn't just fighting Alonso, but Ferrari as well! The Ferrari is just as quick Alonso isn't maximising as much as Vettel and Hamilton IMO.
Well, the car has been slower than the Lotuses in the last two races (see how effortlessly Grosjean dispatched Massa and Alonso, for instance), while the last two races have been won by Mercedes, and we know the Red Bull is quick (and Alonso was beaten by both in Hungary) so I don't think it's just talk. Although the margins might be smaller than some might make out.
It seems Ferrari have sent alonso to the naughty step for unhelpful comments. He seemed so out of it on the track on Sunday.
Not really, one of (used to be) my favourite forums, used to have loads of banter and great insight from guys with good in-depth knowledge of all things Motorsport appears to have gone to ****e!
We all have our favourite drivers and teams, but that doesn't mean you need to go off on one should the guy/team you don't like wins, whats wrong with "well done to the victor and to the rest, try harder next time", I must be too old to still be thinking like this!
The problem is that certain drivers are divisive figures. When someone like Alonso wins, that's OK, everyone knows how good he is, and it would take a colossal moron to say otherwise. When someone like John Mcclane wins, it's different, because some of us feel that he has a superiority complex, and has pretty mush fluked and choked his way through the last few years....
The next time a driver that I don't like wins I'm going to hurl abuse at him and make several derogatory remarks until it hurts, 'cos I don't care, I'm so post 2007.
Well I was abused when I celebrated Vettel's 3rd world title and the constant isolation with people desiring for Alonso to topple Vettel in any shape of form... ...and I didn't give a flying crap lol!
I'm in a minority, my head doesn't explode when a driver I don't like wins Call me weird but it keeps me sane
As I am a colossal moron, is this the same Fernando Alonso who bravely tried to stab his own team in the back by holding them to ransom.............. And the same non-choking Alonso who so famously wrestled Vitaly Petrov out of the way at Dubai 2010 to win the WDC and then shook him by the hand for a fine race after ............. oh wait.......... <cough> crashgate <cough> Ah yes, who could disagree that he is indeed a driver who no one could speak ill of
Any public figure is potentially divisive. But "the problem" you refer to runs much deeper. It is in fact, a faculty of human-nature, borne of the herding instinct within all animals. Viewed from the perspective of public 'sport' (including F1) which utilises and exploits this behaviour, it is the masses who empower the icon*. Amongst these masses will be found some with the right mix of enthusiasm and submissive compulsion to be transformed into willing disciples to champion a cause which, inadvertently or otherwise, gathers momentum; spawning unconscious reaction akin to mackerel or a flock of starlings, none of which know where they are going. The true monster is not the icon but the flock. As conscious animals though, is it not our duty to think about our direction? Surely if enough can stand away from the crowd and think independently, whilst at the same time avoiding promotion as 'exceptional' from its less-conscious membership and thereby providing a new focus for the leadership the crowd craves, there may be chance that events exemplified in this thread become rarer? All it needs is benevolent leadership with strength and integrity. Easier said than done? Unfortunately; yes… Such a near-utopia will tend to be short-lived. After all, benevolence does not lend well to striving against those who SHOUT from the masses, demanding attention with often dictatorial consequence. Indeed, perhaps the best that can hoped for is a cyclic repetitiveness, just as starlings eventually migrate through a collective, responsibility-reduced decision; and just as walking to get anywhere requires the repetition of individual steps. To put it another way: Amongst supporters there will always be fanatics; disciples who add momentum which will eventually usurp the thing (bandwagon) which brought them together. Their cause will be forgotten in the struggle which follows, dissolving into skirmish and battle amongst those who cling to power – all of whom eventually fall back as others shout to enrol their own disciples – to the masses and ashes from which they were made. _________However, sometimes humanity takes a positive quantum leap: invariably the result of a strong benevolence seeking to sew unity at every level, not a dictatorship which seeks to force opinion through subduing a self-inflicted opposition. Of course, what makes this phenomenon so rare is that it is such a difficult equation; a] to get right; and b] to continue to steer a good course with the result! Nevertheless, history shows us that sometimes, just occasionally, humanity can and does evolve into something better for us all… - - -o0o- - - *Most often, the icon does not seek to become such but is promoted by those needing a figurehead for their own temporal power.
I'll be leaving Seb as a fan sooner or later, I prefer the challenge of finding the next big talent and going through the same ride again, winning gets boring
