The calculus for Banega might change if Soldado is sold and Valencia cannot bring in a replacement, though. If that's the case, they may not have to sell Banega, but he may not be as desirous of staying with a team backsliding out of the hunt for Europe.
If Soldado is sold for his minimum release clause or very near to it, then Valencia would most likely pull Banega off the table so he won't have any say in it.
Maybe that is why they are delaying or it could be to get in replacement players like Bologna did last season with Gaston.
Southampton deal back on the cards for Ever Banega, dismiss Gaston Ramirez Inter interest http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...Banega-dismiss-Gaston-Ramirez-Inter-interest?
Valencia need all the money they can get €30m for Soldado is a drop in the ocean compared to their debt.
Saints are in a bit of a tough position. They say they want Ramirez to stay but are pursuing Banega. Bit of a mixed message, as both players will want to be in the first team.
Wasn't ramierez crap when playing out wide? What about J-Rod..... playing up top alone or with rickie?
Rodriguez on the left, Ramirez on the right, Lallana and Puncheon on the bench. Obviously rotate those players when required.
I'd play Rodriguez on the left and Ramirez on the right, personally. He wasn't very good as a 'traditional' wide man, but with another playmaker like Banega in the 10 role, I'd expect there to be quite a bit of positional fluidity, with Ramirez cutting into the middle or looking to get behind the defense...something that he did rather well at times last year. Edit: you're not allowed to have the same opinions as me two minutes before I have them, dammit.
Seen some Valencia fans saying they have debts of around €150m including €80m from a bank loan. A few have said they expect every player worth over €5m to be sold.
People criticised Ramirez's performances out wide last season, but I thought he was no worse than many poor performances he had in the middle. If we have Wanyama and Banega in the centre this coming season, the forwards will have their jobs made a lot easier for them.
The problem for me with Ramirez playing as no10, is that he plays high up the field which often leads to us loosing the balls as passes go astray in a congested area. I believe Banega is more the type of player that recieves a short pass from the DMF and brings the ball forward himself, if this is the case then its much more effective as the opposition have to close him down whereas with Ramirez they can just sit deep and wait for the 20 metre pass.
I'd rather we bought a winger than another attacking midfielder - we've already bought a CM. Banega will block Ramirez' path to the first team as I don't think Ramirez suits playing out wide. Lambert New winger Ramirez/Wanyama* Rodriguez *Wanyama can rotate with Cork and Schneiderlin behind him and I think that, until Ramirez finds his form, we should go with the more solid approach and Wanyama can play the false number 10 role. If/when Ramirez finds his form, then he can replace Cork and play behind Lambert. I think that a new striker wouldn't go amiss (however good Guly is!) as I don't think Lambert will feature as much as he did last season with form blips and little niggles.
On the strength of your post I looked up football club debt. Bloody hell, there are some irresponsible clubs out there. Invariably, the debt is due to paying too much in players salaries and overreaching on transfer spending and operating costs. As others have said, time and again, something ought to be done. But it really should too. I read that Valencia FC were the equivalent of £501M in 2010 and it has only got worse since then. ManU are in an even worse state since the Glaziers bought them, so irresponsibility isn't confined to Spain.
The difference is Man Utd are bringing in a lot of cash which Valencia aren't. United's debt is enormous but serviceable.
I really don't know if this deal is going to happen as he seems happy at Valencia, but as you say if the money is there Valencia will have to sell. Your optimism for it though Beefy does get me a bit excited, i just hope your right on this.
Part of the problem with Ramirez playing wide was that in drifting to the centre we often ended up creating a traffic jam. We'd thus have no outlet on the flank, but we also wouldn't be taking advantage of the overloaded centre by moving people or the ball around quickly or effectively, with two or three players bunched together with nowhere to go and no means to get a shot away. The ball would be lost because our close-quarters passing was rather horrific, and then we'd have no one protecting the fullback if a counter-attack began. When he was central our spacing was a bit better, but simply having superior passing in tight spaces might be an even better solution, especially if we're going to see as much of the ball as we did late last year.
