I'll summarise, in a very unusual way. Bear with me, this could get weird. Lewis Hamilton please log in to view this image Other Drivers please log in to view this image Hamilton is an idiot in a vest, supported by those who like a cheap hero who thinks he's clever but isn't. What does "Yippee Ki-yay" even mean? Other drivers are supported by those who favour more precision, rather than a gung-ho mentality. I want a driver to be smart and efficient, a ruthless point scoring machine, who gets on with the job. Someone like Kimi, Fernando, Sebastian. If you wanted Hamilton to win, then you wanted Mcclane to win, and that's just wrong.
Well maybe it's time the forum thinks what's best for itself, maybe the system now isn't working anymore and a few swings of the ban hammer should be applied, maybe even on myself if that what it takes, I'll always been an opinionated double standard seeking individual no matter where I go. My intention will always be to sneer, argue complain at any damn thing I like. BUT! I would feel bad if you were not allowed to celebrate your victories however much it would irritate me as that would be surpressing emotion and speech as it's healthy to get those small victories once in a while and not be afraid to show it. I don't consider my individuality as a soul influence on society, I just observe society live.
It is what it is... and trying to change it would only bring about more divide and more loss of membership. Can't force people to be reasonable.
For starters, for a number of reasons based on the characters you've chosen, I don't think the analogy works. But that's not really the point. The point is that you don't seem to have grasped what I was getting at - why are people so determined to take this away from Hamilton and to belittle his fans? Does it matter whether you want Hamilton to win or not? His fans are just enjoying motor racing, the same as you and I. One day those fans might well turn into proper F1 fans. They might not. But they're certainly not going to if they're scared off by people decrying them as some of the horrible things we've seen in this thread. I'm hoping Believe In Lewis (or at least that's how I remember him being called, I don't think he's changed his name) wasn't reading this thread earlier because if I was him I'd genuinely be considering whether it's worth posting here any more, and that's ridiculous.
I don't think you need banning Silver, because as irritated as I got with you you were at least fairly reasonable. But the ban hammer should definitely be brought out for whatever the Manny trolling attempt was and similar because that sort of thing is just ridiculous, hateful bile that does nothing to help the forum as a whole.
TomTom... you make some great points there. There has to be some mutual respect between fans here, regardless of support. We all have a common intrest that's only divided by result.
Because Lewis Hamilton is a moron in a vest who spouts lame one liners. That's why his fans shouldn't celebrate, and that's why he should have stopped after one championship. Things get tired if you try and repeat the formula, just without the thing that made it work in the first place. OK, i shall retry this analogy. The reason Hamilton 1 (Or Die Hard as it's also known) worked is because the protagonist was likable. Hans Gruber was a character you could support, in his efforts to outfox the evil policeman John Mcclane. Back then, Hamilton was Gruber, he was likable, he came across as intelligent, and you could root for him. But then the fame got to him, and he became popular with the media, and got the idiots on board, which made it double bad, and he turned into Mcclane, an unlikable oaf in a vest. It led to Hamilton 2-5, where he tries to be popular, but he's just the same moron in a vest. There's no magic now, like there was back when he was relatable in Hamilton 1.
It's simple, somebody needs to be the **** eventhough we have known each other for a few years you will always need somebody to lay the law down and put people back in their place or face the punishments. Doesn't have to be strict just reasonable that you can have a "big" opinion, just not being a twat about it 24/7 like a rambling bridge troll calling people names and ****. Maybe that's why the forum is quiet I don't know, but I know something changed during the period I was out for those 4-5 months though I know me being gone wasn't the problem of that drop as I don't think that highly of myself. Maybe I came a defacto symbol for the anti crowd and they decided to side with me in the past and now it's not the same for them after I left, I don't know, I didn't ask for that as I hate groups and I prefer to be a lone wolf kind of character as it will always be my opinion regardless and not somebody else's influencing me. If it is me I would just prefer people to be honest with me, yeah I'm an opinionated twat, but it's never my role to take the fun away from other people. If that's the case I would rather leave than continue in good conscience, I don't think people are as wary with me as say in 2011-2012 for example. And I'm being honest and truthful here, it's nearly 2am and I feel bad for you sarge and tom if you cant enjoy your victory, I apologise if I ever influenced you like that in any way or form from the bottom of my heart that was never my intention to steal the wind from your sails.
And yet Hamilton 2-5 have made plenty of money at the box office in spite of the critical mauling that Hamilton 5 received. I've lost my train of thought. Point being, it doesn't make the people who went to see Die Hards 2 through 5 wrong, it doesn't even mean that they can't enjoy it. Maybe it's possible for them to have better taste but it's all subjective. There are very few films or to get back on topic F1 drivers who are indisputably dreadful and anyone would dislike on their actual merits - thinking the likes of Ide and Delatraz and The Room here. Hamilton is nowhere near that level.
I don't think we need an antagonist or a bad guy on the board. We can spark reasonable debate with the usual BS that F1 throws at us. The big debate today should have been Grosjean's BS drive-through, instead we are back to 2007 with a passion.
It means they're silly, they backed the wrong horse. They're the sort of people who backed Superman over General Zod in Superman 2, or Sarah Connor in The Terminator, they're just wrong. Whatall of these films had was a great Hero. Hamilton was really likeable as the T-800, but became an annoying arse when he swapped to being Sarah Connor. He does nothing but whine, and get bailed out by Reese (Toto Wolff). Does that mean Toto and Lewis are, um, copulating? (ugh, i need some brain bleach)
I'm genuinely confused now and it's 2am and I'm kind of done arguing in circles. I will leave by repeating this because it could not have come at a better time and it sums up my thoughts right about now: Good night all.
Star wars reference for Hamilton is needed! 2007: A New Hope. Great plot interesting finish. 2008: Empire strikes back. Even better plot greater ending. 2009: Clone wars. Starts off pretty meh ends well with the jedi fights. 2010: Return of the Jedi. Not as good as the first 2 but still pretty good. 2011: Phantom Menace. Rubbish film. 2012: Revenge of the Sith. Better than the previous 2, but a bit of a meh ending. 2013: Up to Disney 2014: Up to Disney 2015: Up to Disney GOOD NIGHT!
Actually, i wish i'd led with the Terminator analogy, because it makes more sense. LH - The Terminator T-800 to begin with, Sarah Connor from 2008 onwards Fernando Alonso took the T-1000 role (the ultimate killing machine) Sebastian Vettel/Kimi Raikkonen is the T-800 now (just German/Finnish/drunk, not Austrian) Toto Wolff is Kyle Reese (bails Sarah Connor out of various ****) Niki Lauda is John Connor (from T2) (He whines a lot and doesn't know what the f*ck he's talking about) It's getting very late and i'm getting very drunk. I'm calling it a night. As our favourite muscular Austrian hero once Said to a moronic policeman: I'll Be Back
I'm signing off for the night now but I want to say one thing about 'fans', if I may. It's just an opinion, but I want to offer it: Nobody should ever be concerned about celebrating something (positive) they'd hoped for. It makes no difference who one supports. What matters is how it is demonstrated to others and how one reacts to events turning out better for one's perceived opponent(s) â which of course includes 'fans' with a different personal preference. No Hamilton fan should think twice about celebrating his victory â just as no Schumacher, Vettel, Hill, Clark, Villenueve, Chilton, Sato, Wolff, or other, should either. This applies not just F1 but to anything. In order to avoid alienating others and marginalising oneself at the same time, interacting in conversation or in a forum always requires demonstrating respect for different points of view regardless of one's personal opinion. Lest this be mistaken for weakness, it is not. It is not to subsume one's opinion and be dominated by those who SHOUT; rather, it is to enter into a healthy debate where different views can be exchanged. Ultimately, this is the only way one's point may eventually be understood. Please be respectful. And EMSC: if I may make a personalised plea â and you're still here, accidentally reading this, perhaps in a few days time â come back properly and put today behind you, eh? Do it in the way that you think Schumacher would, even if others may not share your opinion; but always do it with respect and eventually others may reflect a similar respect. â¦Ultimately, we're all the same family: people with a passion for motor sport.
Also, one more thing, Sarah Connor is played by Linda Hamilton.... Surprised i didn't make the connection earlier. Lewis Hamilton is actually an ageing woman in drag.
