Lets just wait and see. I am sure the players are grown up enough they could have turned around and said they didn't want to join us even for a year... As for the spirit of the game - well lets be honest football isn't golf!
In reference to alcohol abroad and mid-south pussy your weak arguments are pathectic!!! In 2013 it is players who hold the key to all things contractual. If they don't want to play for a club they will get their way and move on so to say our owners can move them around at will is nonsence. If your employer asked you to move country and you did not want to he could not enforce it fact!!! European law protects against such things. We are not the only ones who seem to think it is ok just because its our club there are many fans of other clubs who have said it is good business on the part of our owners who happen to run football clubs not in debt.. research the pozzo's other interests and see how efficient they are run. The only people who have a problem with it are those who do not look at all the facts, understand the rules of our league and perhaps don't have the inteligence to comprehend that in business it is esential when on a small budget to be as prudent as possible on controlling costs. We do not have reckless people who can throw good money after bad and plunge our club further down the debt root to try and achieve something which could be achieved by good managment practises that work in lots of other business operations. When people use the word cheats/ bending rules they are making complete fools of themselves by showing lack of understanding of the subject they are slating. As for conflict of interest. Watford have not ever won a major trophy, have competed in Europe only once (when funded by very own Pop Star ). If and when we ever get to a stage were by things could become a conflict of interest, the Pozzo's are profesional enough to realise steps would need to be taken to show that everything is above board. The Pozzo's have shown that they look at things in a different light to how most club owners do and apply other proven good business methods to their football clubs which have given them a sucessful model which they are now rolling out at Watford. There is much good to be learned from the Pozzo's but unfortunately the British stigma of slating of sucessful people raises its head in those who just or can't understand the basic facts!!!!!
And your evidence for this is what? Purely anecdotal or do you actually have anything empirical? So what's the difference between the club being able to do that and players themselves making the very same decision to move on when they please, even when they are contracted? Or are you denying that that happens? How ironic - using one ill-thought out fallacy in an attempt to highlight another ill-thought out fallacy.
In Euro comps the rule is already in place that 2 teams owned by same company/person cannot compete in the same competition So no issue there. Also it's worth noting that multiple ownership whilst new to the UK is quite common throughout the world. However some interesting points have been raised and one that we should accept may well happen. Whilst we now hold the players registration it is quite possible that we would loan players back out in the future. There is no denying that it could happen and that this business model is a completely new concept and is going to attract a lot of controversy now and in the future. on home grown players - we took a number of youth team players + first year pros away on pre season tour and all seem very happy with the chance to train and play with technicaly better players & coaches. Last year we played more home grown players than all but Middlesborough - we have signed our best on 5 year deals. It should be admitted though that as the 1st team standards increase then less % of home grown players will make it through but that is the same at any club.
As ostriches don't actually bury their heads in the sand, it would suggest that you do not actually understand what is going on. It might be what you think you see, but it isn't. We have tried to tell you. You will not accept it. Fine, now do jog on but feel free to jog back when you have a proper grasp of the facts.
Fans with this sort of opinion are completely missing the point. What is the difference between us doing what we are doing and a club like, I dont know, lets say Hull, having a very rich chairman in Assem Allam, who has links in Egypt. With this extra cash and these links, players you signed last season like Gedo, Elmohamady, Faye, Proschwitz and Meyler would have beyond the means of your competitors because of your rich chairman and his links (in the case of the Egyptian contingent). Starting to sound familiar? Hull did not break any rules, but surely having the means to acquire players that other teams in the division did not is completely against the spirit of the game? Is this an honest way of building a team? I believe that neither clubs with rich chairman or what we are doing is against the spirit of the game. If we want a totally fair system, then every club would have the same wage bill and the same amount to spend on transfers, it just isnt possible. Fans of other clubs should stop worrying about we are doing because we are doing nothing wrong!
If what I've heard from some of the youth team players and their parents is to believed they actually prefer Zola to Dyche as the former takes an interest in what they are doing and allows the youngsters to be involved in the 1st team as you say although I accept Dyche is the one who played Murray. Zola does have a job to do - like all managers he is under pressure to get results and probably fairly instant success so like with so many clubs younger players might not get as many chances as they used too. I should think we will still use more than most Premier league clubs which is where the real issue/problem likes with regard to lack of English talent.
It seems that the stand-out reservation that opposition fans have is the fact that we are essentially signing good players for free. Now, apparently this is terrible, but it happens every time a rich owner puts his money into a club and bankrolls them to success (or, indeed, complete and utter failure). The only difference between that and the Watford method, is that the former riddles the club with debt whilst no-one bats an eyelid, and the latter creates prosperity without greed whilst being totally ridiculed. Which, of course, makes complete sense! Try opening your minds once in a while.
REP! I actually sent a PM to one of our most vocal detractors on these boards (rather than get in a public slanging match) and what I got back just confirmed to me what I suspected anyway... that I really needn't have bothered and the said person would have it descend into a PM slanging match. I won't be making that mistake again. "Fool me once shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me!"
If it was one of the Leicester contingent, I refuse to believe that their rants are anything other than pure bitterness over what happened in the play off final second leg when they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They can deny it as much as they like, but they were obviously very traumatised by what happened. They should man up and worry about their own club. I have no problem with other fans at least attempting to justify their opposition to what we are doing, but most are also so set in their objections that they simply rely on airy fairy arguments about the 'spirit' of the game and bending the rules. That's why I am following Vic's lead and I'm simply not going to debate it anymore. Good luck to those who do, although I suggest it may be quicker to simply find a brick wall and head butt it repeatedly.
Thank you for your kind comments Fez & Bloother. Not being that "au fait" with Not606, I am not sure what being "repped" actually means - but thank you anyway......
I tried to rep you BB, but you must have one of the last 10 or so that I repped. So take a virtual rep until I'm out of prison.
Those of us that are old enough have seen all this before when GT and SEJ were in charge. On the QPR board someone was still going on about GT's kick and rush! If you challenge the existing order you will always be given a hard time. On another note: does anyone know the details of Leicester's administration? What percentage of what they were owned did local small businesses and charities like St John's get paid?
One thing reading all this. The football league 'punished' you for dealings in the transfer market. Correct? Were there any 'warnings' about what might happen in the future if there were any more 'dodgy' dealings of any kind? Would you owners be that stupid to put the club in jeopardy?
