top 3 Strikers in PL are with little difference between them 1- RVP 2- Aguero 3- Suarez Rooney is not included bcz he had an average season, but he worth alot for any club, bcz he is white English, so media will protect him and thus indirectly his club more, and financial wise, he sells more kits and will assure better sponsoring deals especially in Uk. don't UTD pay him 50-70k for his image right alone?
This He's a good player, but was City's third best striker last season behind Tevez and Dzeko. People just like to assume he's one of the best because of how much money he cost City.
So you don't think his injuries last season impacted his season? 22 league games was it, missed nearly half a season.
i rate the guy highly, he was one of main reasons why City win the title last time and City struggled with every game he didn't played or was not fit yes last season he was not at his best, mostly due to many injuries he had last season (5 time injured) and the overall City form didn't helped either..but the guy is a class his score rate in City is + 50% which is very good rate
Bit of a meh cliche imo. You could equally say "form is temporary, class is permanent" or any other meaningless pundit favourite. Suarez was on great form last season, but he still wasn't winning you those tight games. Whereas even an off form Rooney was scoring vital goals and getting us a fair few wins when we could have dropped vital points. But yeah, I agree with you that neither of them are miles ahead of the other right now - Rooney was miles ahead a year ago, but Suarez has improved greatly whilst Rooney's form has dropped off. I think UIR is just (over)reacting the same way a lot of Liverpool fans do when people try to compare the two.
A lot of obvious in there Swarbs You are only as good as your last season, that holds true. Rooney had a poor season last season, Suarez had a very good season, we're talking football yes I just think Suarez has more bite in attack
Immaterial. When Rooney is used as a number 10, there is little to choose from between he and Suarez imo. Except Rooney eats before the match, not during.
Suarez just couldn't wait till the half time snack. its not immaterial, Rooney has poor last season, he scored 12 goals, thats very material, Suarez scored far more even with the ban and put in a fair few fantastic performances and scored some fantastic individual goals as well as that cracker against Newcastle
played about the same number as rooney and scored about the same number of goals. Rooney was in midfield.
I understand what you're saying, but don't think it fully holds. I would say you are only rated as highly as your last season. Once the whistle goes in August then what you did last year is gone. Rooney having a great season in 11/12 didn't mean spit as soon as last season started and RVP began banging them in for fun. Not really a fair comparison - Rooney was being asked to play number 10 and support the best striker in the league whereas Suarez was very much Liverpool's number 9, and the focal point for all the attacks. Rooney was never going to score 20+ goals in a season when RVP hit 26 - when's the last time two strikers from the same club hit 20 goals in a PL season? What's material is: Rooney played 26, 12 goals, 11 assists, total of 23 Suarez played 33, 23 goals, 5 assists, total of 28 Not a great deal of difference there, particularly given Rooney played 7 games fewer than Suarez due to two injuries and a virus. Rooney had a worse season I admit, but he was still one of the top players in the PL. The fact he made more contributions that Tevez, Hazard, Aguero and Silva, and no one's saying they had a poor year shows just how high his standard is.
And you don't think Rooney's injuries impacted him? He had a thigh injury in the second game when Rodallega landed on him, and damaged knee ligaments in training at Xmas. Both kept him out for four weeks. Add that to tonsillitis and a virus and he had a much worse year with injury and illness than Aguero. Rooney played 26 PL games, Aguero played 30.
Rooney > Suarez. I know Rooneys not popular just now and rightly so but nobody can deny his quality. What we consider a bad season for Rooney is what most players would be happy with. He Scored 12 and got 11 assists ( I think ) in about 20/25 PL games. Thats a fantastic return. so why do we consider it a poor season? Well rooney lacked his 'rooney'. Thats the best way to put it. That drive and determination to be involved in everything was missing. A shame because at his very best he would still be our best player. As for Suarez, a very good player who had a brilliant season last season ( when he wasnt banned, which was often ) and if we compare the two players just on last season its easy to claim Suarez is better. Thats not fair though as Rooney was played out of position and until januray Suarez was Liverpools single goal threat which exaggerated his tally. as strikers Rooney is better, as creators, Rooney is better. Suarez beats rooney on flair and hunger. Dont get me wrong, Rooney likes to eat but he stops just short of humans.
I know its not really a straight comparison. There are nuances and no one is saying Rooney is not a good player and I do think if he want to Chelsea he's flourish in a main striker role. He was piss poor last season, poor touch control passing the lot, even his short passing game was poor especially at the end of last season. Those numbers as you have often said do not tell the whole picture, only if you look at each individual goal and circumstance can you just what they actually mean. You know that all too well. We've seen them both perform, one has been at times brilliant the other quite below par for himself. One has played in a team that finished outside the top 4 the other in one that walked the league and scoring for fun. I'll agree to disagree
As will I. I think agreeing to disagree is the only agreement we'll get between a Utd and Liverpool fan on this one The only bit I take issue with is the highlighted one. As plenty of players (Michu, Benteke, Lukaku, Steven Fletcher, Bent, Collymore, Andy Cole, Kevin Phillips, Le Tissier, Les Ferdinand, Beattie, Fowler, Andy Johnson, Saha (at Fulham), and even Shearer) have shown it is perfectly possible to score around 20 goals a season for a club that isn't competing for the title or even in the top four. Whereas when you are actually in the top four it can be harder to reach that number as you are expected to play for the team, rather than the team playing for you as you're the main goal threat. In fact, the examples of Cole, Collymore and Saha show just how hard it can be for a player scoring 20+ a season for a club lower in the league to replicate that at a club pushing towards the top.
I hope you keep Rooney, but I think the best thing would be to get shot of him. Ive been saying it for a few years. Rooney was a bloody hormone child. His das sperm got in the egg because it was stubbly and it gravelled its way in. He no doubt had a haoiry chest b the age of 7 and had to wax before they would let him into secondary school. Guys like that get to their late twenties and cannot keep the weight off.
And over those few years he's scored plenty of goals which have won us a hatful of trophies despite being at a big financial disadvantage. Even an overweight, unfit and disinterested Rooney is still better than most of the players out there, and many of the potential replacements. Getting rid of Rooney is only worthwhile if we know we have a quality replacement sorted out. His future arguably now depends more on the Fabregas, Modric, Ronaldo and Bale situations than it does on Rooney.
Im not saying he will become ****e, he will still be a country mile above most players. There is no way you will let him go without a replacment, but it probably is time to start looking.
