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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Ciaran, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    Cromwell's law wasn't enforced in most of Ireland, and Gaelic was still widely spoken until the Potato Famine. The Welsh language was just as oppressed. Plus there's nothing to stop Gaelic being 'relaunched' so to speak.
     
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  2. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    Cromwells laws?

    Are you serious?

    It was illegal to be a Catholic and speak Irish regardless of Cromwell.

    Read up.
     
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  3. Ciaran

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    I dislike the Catholic church but we owe them due to them educating us in forests and bogs even though they faced execution if found out.
     
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  4. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    So why cling onto Catholicism so fervently but not Gaelic?
     
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  5. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    I am not a Catholic and I can speak Gaelic.

    What are you on about?

    Google has knocked your point out hasn't it?
     
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  6. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    Gaelic was still widely spoken till the potato famine, regardless of any thing you've said.

    There are millions of Catholics in Ireland. How many people speak Gaelic as a first language?

    Why choose to speak the language of a country that you resent, as so many Irish do? Why not speak your native tongue like the Welsh?
     
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  7. RebelBhoy

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    Political Power rested in Dublin, Irish was all but wiped out in the Pale. The language used was English in political circles. To engage in politics you had to use it.

    With the Church, there was a priest in every town and village in the country. The power base was spread more evenly and was certainly more visible.

    By the 1870's and the start of the cultural and literary revival that led to the Home Rule movement there was only the west and south west that still spoke Irish. It was a pretty low base to come back from.

    I don't know the figures but are there more Welsh speakers than Irish? I got at least 2 messages today completely in Irish. Just little sayings, but it is well and widely used.
     
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    Welsh people speak Welsh as a first language?
     
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    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    I hear this all the time. I've never met a single one.
     
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  10. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    There are a lot of Welsh speakers, particularly in north Wales. Some of them speak Welsh far better than English, and will always use it between themselves. And the Welsh don't exhibit anywhere near the bitterness towards the English that many Irish do.
     
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    Jip in missing TFWNN marathons shame.
     
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  12. Jip Jaap Stam

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    Many do, yes. Even though the English tried to oppress it for centuries.
     
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  13. Ciaran

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    English peole refering to the 'famine' sticks in the craw also.

    Deliberate starvation. Admidited by your govt
     
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  14. RebelBhoy

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    You could substitute the word Welsh for Irish and there.
     
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  15. Jip Jaap Stam

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    <laugh>

    Difference being that I actually like Ciaran and Rebel. I wouldn't have pissed on TFWNN if he'd been on fire.
     
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  16. RebelBhoy

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    Yep. Victoria gave more money to Battersea dogs home tun "famine" relief.

    There was never a famine here. A famine means a shortage of food.
     
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    If you keep this argument up I guarantee you'll hate him by the morning.
     
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    Where and when?

    You know people speak Irish as a first language?

    People like you are the reason for Irish Nationialist violince, wheather you realise it or not.
     
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  19. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    What should we call it? The Irish Holocaust as Jacky once suggested <doh>

    By the way, how many have you had tonight? :cheesy:
     
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  20. RebelBhoy

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    I'm ****ed if I can find numbers of speakers of Welsh and Irish <confused>.

    M old man still constructs sentences as though they were in Irish. I know loads of I'll that do.
     
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