For me Jager, the club shouldn't be using the money from player/manager transfers to pay the wages of the players etc. That money SHOULD always be re invested into the squad. The club should be paying for the wages and stadium expansions etc through its other forms of revenue. At the end of the day the strength of the squad should always come first, and if that means that improvement plans etc are put back a few years then so be it. The best way for Swansea to secure it's financial future and stability is by remaining in the Premiership, and to do that, we have to stop being so small minded by looking for the cheapest options all the time. With a few good quality signings, I would predict that we are odds on for another top 10 finish next season. But for this to happen, then we have to bring in players that are better than the majority of the current squad members.
I agree Jager.Our wage bill for our first year in the Prem was 30 million, last season was probably a lot more. We bought some better quality players so our wage bill was probably nearer to 40 million.With gates of only 20 K our overall profit will not be that great.
We are in reality atm a "small" club , We are limited in our income stream which includes buying cheap players sales but selling on for a profit and that is imo the sensible way ,this will continue for as long we stay independent of a wealthy owner /sponsor If we can continue to develop players (even managers) and sell on for profit without losing too much ground with clubs around us then we'll be fine .Michu for example bought for 2.2 million and now valued at ? Ash 8 million and so on Dos anyone like to hazard a guess on what the club is now worth , a dam sight more than the £1 it was sold for ten years ago I's say.
Exactly....Its plain to see that the longer we stay in the premiership the richer we get. nobody is asking the club to spend over £10 million on a quality striker but we should be prepared to spend up to £10 million if we have to.....
Bony I would prefer our club to stay small without these investors coming in. I don't believe that any of our directors would be willing to sell out to anyone apart from a fellow current director. I would be frankly amazed if theres not a clause that each of them must give first refusal to the current lot. And I know the supporters trust would have to sanction any buy out of the club. The 20% they hold gives a quite a lot of say in the running of our club. The problem I see here is that there is a direct link of spending = ambition in people's perceptions, if we don't spend that is considered as acting small minded, and we will struggle as we don't bring in what people think is needed. That's the problem at a lot of other clubs as well, over stretching the club and demanding money is spent, sorry but I see our fans being the same. If I remember rightly the same arguments were used in the January transfer window and last season's summer window. People are saying here £25m-£30m is needed to stay up, but I see a huge problem with that figure, the fact is its not just the transfer fee but the wages to go with it, so even less money will be available.
what is the point of being in the premiership if we end up as whipping boys because we cant see further than our nose. last season have given us a warning that we are not good enough when it comes to the business end of the season, we were absolutely **** in the end, everyone thought we would go out with a bang and beat fulham with ease. the manager and the players were confident we would win.....we not only lost we were out played all over the park just like most of the second half of the season when teams upped their game and we could not match them...We had plenty of possession but no fire power, we had nobody who could put the ball in the net and that is why we have to buy some natural quality strikers and the ones we need wont come cheap....we relied on a midfielder to get our goals and even he dried up as teams got use to him....we have not had anyone that good since Trundle and scotland and i fear that if we dont get it right this season we are not going to score enough goals to stay up.
All I can say to that Dai is look at QPR, they spent an absolute fortune on players over the last two seasons, and they were the whipping boys. Money spent doesn't necessarily = success, there is a lesson to be learned on this fascination of spending huge amounts of money on players, and if we don't it means we will go down or there is a lack of ambition. We could spend hugely and still go down.
I'll second that Jager. A new signing isn't always an improvement, else most teams would be better every season than they were the previous and we know that's simply not the case. Did signing Andy Caroll make Liverpool a much better side ? Did signing Danny Graham make Sunderland a better side ? Did Itay Schecter make us a better side ? My point is that until we are a good few games into a season we don't really know if a signing is any better than what we've got already. Canas may turn out to be the dogs bollocks but there's also a chance he may just be simply bollocks.
We could buy a Joe Allen for 15 million and sit him on the bench or have splinter sinclair with us or spend 5 million for Danny. What the **** has the amount we spend got to do with it? If we spend wisely - Michu instead of Carroll Chico instead of Samba what difference does it make .The above two show clearly that money does not equate with talent. We do not have the business base to sustain large expenditures - we may have money now but if we blow it all on high priced ( and totally unknown effectiveness) players where do we go in the future. We will always miss out on some players simply because we're only Swansea and for some of these players they couldn't find Wales on a map let alone the Gower. I don't think SCFC are on the top of many agents lists and the influence they have and disruption they can cause is immense. No matter how much we spend it doesn't guarantee a 'right' to be in the premiership - money club with Sir Arry in charge - prove that. So I'm going to enjoy our 15 minutes of fame that allows us ex-pats the luxury of seeing them every week and hope that it stretches to 20 minutes and then............
Well said mate. Patience is a virtue and one which the Board obviously has even though some of the fans dont. KTF guys Jenkins and the board know exactly what needs to be done and will spend what needs to be spent.
you say chill but we are lagging and as for spending then two of laudrups targets have both been snapped up for under £10 million....Its know wonder laudrup is pissed off and dont seem to care anymore that he is leaving it up to jinx to find our players.......jinx is crafty if you listen to his edited speech that he is preparing the way that if we go down no blame will be coming his way....He did not look like a confident chairman to me.......He should listen to laudrup and cough up the money we need or we will be going down.....who will you blame then????jinx or Laudrup...no question...
Dai you are still linking spending to staying up, don't you think QPR who spent a fortune on players and their wages is an indicator that it doesn't always work? And if we go down I would think it would be down to the players ultimately as they are the ones playing. We don't know who could be leaving or coming to us as yet, its all speculation until they sign on the dotted line for us, or for someone else if they are to leave. You say it's ambitious if we spend £30m on players, so if we spend £15m then that is tantamount to guarantee relegation. Makes you wonder why every team doesn't spend that amount.
jager you still think we are in the lower leagues.....we need good players mate, you wont get them on the cheap. so far this season jinx has scuppered laudrups two targets that went for under £10 million that we could easily afford, We have no sponsor to put on the shirts and everything else that should be on sale by now, We have scrapped the proposed expansion to the liberty that may not happen at all now. the manager is keeping a low profile because he is not allowed to bring in his own players. we are back in training very shortly and we are far from ready,.....It looks very amateurish from the outside however you look at it...
Dai I'm not saying we don't need good players, but there are good players around that don't cost a fortune , well relatively speaking. For example this Jordi we've just signed could be a cracking player for £2.5m. And Canas is due to sign on a free in a few days. These players could prove to be a very good acquisition for the club. If we paid £5m a piece and they were pants then that means we've lost a bloody fortune on crap. Money buys us players, but there is no guarantee that they will fit into our club. As for the expansion they've decided against it as there was no need for it as they managed to fit the media into the space we have now, just a shame those 700 extra seats won't be there for next season When you say no sponsor, lets just see shall we ?
I swear on times that Jager is Jenkins ultra ego! Lets get some facts on the table, firstly our income has gone from £10 Million to £100 Million, now while that's no reason to start throwing money around at mercenaries, the way QPR did, you don't have to be Einstein to realise that a few positions in the team are critical at this level, and the Striker position is the most key position to winning games, and we will need to loosen the purse strings somewhat to achieve one or two signings that will make the difference to winning instead of drawing games, anyone of you know how many draws we had last season? check it out, but I can tell you far too many, and that was down to the fact that we did not have a real finisher in front of goal, other than Michu, we got lucky last season to some extent, but we can't keep expecting to pick up these players for peanuts, the funds are there, and there is definite need of investing in key positions, and no one is talking about throwing money away or being reckless or stupid, hell that would be Mission Impossible anyway with Jenkins in charge, so like I said previously lets see what happens with the striker position, in my view we'll brake our transfer record this time round!...............
Phil have I said not to get new players ? I agree we need some new players particularly up front. But we are not going to spend £30m on this, I would be amazed if we go above £20m, and that should be enough even if one or two go. Lets not forget we haven't even given out the player that are going list just yet, probably the reason is that there's not going to be a mass exodus. We are the only club not to get rid of players well except gower & shechter . Sometimes I wish they could transfer list some of the older fans who sit all day long doing their knitting and moaning about the club, now a couple of ladies spring to mind
Amat is an excellent example of what we expected to see. Great value. Asset stage early, though still a ton of upside. Probably as good if not better than Caulker - and we would all have him back - at a better price. Smart shopping.
Talking of Ladies Jager! You remind me of Ena Sharples of Coronation Street, she used to be a moaner on spending, "We can't afford this, we can't afford that" she had the same pair of bloomers, her entire life on the Corrie set, how often do you bath? I bet it's just ounce a year to save on the energy bill, and water rates!.................... please log in to view this image
