Common knowledge.

Hello and welcome and enjoy the board we are a friendly lot.

 

Welcome. I aslo heard these rumours but I've heard a good few others too from people who claim to know what's going on. Who knows what's actually going on, but needless to say its a bit messy at present. That is "Messy" not "Messi" before people get excited, the swap with Shola has been stopped by JK.

 

I agree, but I also think there's too much reading between the lines. As you rightly put, Ashley invited it with this appointment. But there's too much over-complicating what is a very black & white decision. I mean, nothing's odd about it at all. Kinnear's the only man Ashley trusts who boasts football experience. Ashley had to change things, seemingly didn't think Llambias was good enough, and continues to question Pardew. Also seemingly thinks Carr needs support. No-one would disagree with any of this. Swap Kinnear for Hoddle and there's less vitriol. But swap Llambias for Kinnear and there's just no real crisis. For one, where's a single quote from someone who's worked with Kinnear berating his ability?

Oh, and welcome to NUFC Therapy 101, Hillier.

 

Welcome hillier73..

It would appear the Midlands is a hotbed of NUFC supporting talent, I'm the self appointed chairman of The Melton Mowbray NUFC Sexual Deviant, 20 ***s a Day and Ale in Abundance Society.

Ahhhh....McKeag & Lord Westwood now there were a couple of fine gentlemen, I wonder if their own personal turnstile was ever recovered?....

It's quite apparent that we in the Midlands are blessed with contacts in the know as I heard virtually the same things that you alluded to in your thread. The Poyet reference is an interesting one because my reliable mole......in Brighton rang me a of couple of days ago and indicated there's something about to happen.

 

I have an unreliable mole on my arse.

 

Pic or I wont believe it.

 

The mole aside, I note the national press are starting to take note of the relationship between Pardew and Carr (even citing Anita).

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-joe-kinnear-hired-end-1972369

Mark Douglas (via Twitter) has stated "V.interesting stuff about Carr/Pardew relationship in Mirror & elsewhere. They spoke on Monday, I understand: things seemed cordial then" and then "Anita situation v.curious though - as is Sissoko one. We live in interesting times!"

I don't normally swear but he knows, and has known for an age. As well as a new owner I wish we had free press than, instead of pandering, actually gave their readership the truth.

 

Does he live in a hole? <yuk>

 

On its way

 

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Why is that mole on your arse wearing a tie and white coat?

 

Reality is though, neither Pardew or Carr are going to go public if there had been a dispute. Or speak privately about it to let into the public domain. I smell bullshit about this whole alledged falling out and disagreements over transfers. They always seem to get on well and Pards always speaks highly of Carrs work. Funny this is only surfacing now when it suits selling a few papers when there is little else to talk about.

Rumours are exactly that, this is just the media preying on the emotions of supporters.

 

Firstly thank you, once again, for all your welcomes.
Regarding the previous post, I agree that neither party would go public over a dispute.
That said disputes have occurred, both over players and the positions they are being played in, but as I stated in my original post "the relationship has not irretrievably broken down." You state that such issues would not be discussed in private, for fear of it leaking into the public domain, but people do talk among their peers - especially when frustrated. The problem is idiots who claim to be ITK and the national media who love to whip up a storm. The articles in the Mirror, Times and Independent are classic examples of **** stirring. That said, what annoys me even more is when local media, who are fully aware of the situation, fail to print relevant stories for fear of exclusion.
Either way, common sense tells us there is currently massive problems in NUFC both in management structure and within the squad itself.
Without sounding a pessimist, things will get worse before it gets better. A situation inflicted on real fans who deserve so much more.

 

Well said.
Get to 50 posts ASAP fella and your rep power activates.

 

There is just no evidence to warrant going to print though. There is no evidence that disputes have occured (or at least I haven't seen any). I'm sure they have nt agreed on every transfer or target over the time working together, it would be weird if they had. It is just way too convienient timing for this all to come out now for me.

Don't get me wrong I had heard a similar story from someone who has on occcasion been right about moves or goings on. But I also heard from a lad who knows a youth coach there that it is complete horseshit, there are no problems between the two at all. I choose to believe neither despite both being reliable sources and certainly wouldn't believe the Chronicle, Journal or a national paper. The news outlets are far too despperate for stories in the down season.

I'm sure the club do have some hold over the local media. If I was running the club I'd certainly exert pressure on them and try to control them as far as possible, all the best clubs do. Look at the way SAF operated, the famous one where he is caught muttering under his breath that a certain journalist is never to enter a press room of theirs again for asking awkward questions.

All just part and parcel of the game, its naive to think otherwise. All joking aside as I have made a massive mockery of the last few days (I can't help myself), I think our fans need to stop believing every rumour they hear, or every article they read and feeding the media storm. It certainly does us no favours and just makes us a bigger target for their shooting practice.

The club of course could help the situation by just clarifying things and explaining what is going on. Its just not their way unfortunately and we'll just have to put up with a media circus.

 

Hi there!

I think the attached picture below says a lot and is unusually honest for a reporter.

This resulted in a public spat, also attached below.

I wrote a 400 word open letter three months ago to the Chronicle and, in addition, attached it to a posting on one of Lee Ryder's blogs.
Both were ignored and, in the case of Ryder's blog, deleted. It was around April time and it challenged why the truth of disharmony, both between management and players, was not being made available to the paying readership. (If I find it, and it is of interest to anyone, I will post it here)

Regarding concrete evidence, there is no such thing, unless someone resides in the 'inner circle' of power (and if they are in that position I doubt they would post on a forum!) As mentioned earlier, there is also no such thing as ITK, regarding Newcastle, but... remembering my job is to challenge other peoples theories through evidence and looking for causation lets assume I am right. Causal evidence would be:
1, Why was Anita, who was just starting to get in form, suddenly dropped? Substitutions of Gosling even occurred before Anita.
2, What really happened with Sissoko when he left training early? Individuals witnessed it; the Chronicle denied it.
3, Why are things coming out now about an issue regarding Wonga and our Muslim palyers? Money lending was not an issue when it was VirginMoney while the players federation confirmed the story to be true.
4, Why was the radio interview that Pardew organised cancelled 48 hours before it was to take place.
5, Why did Llambias, the day after publicly stating he was looking forward to working with JK, resign?
6, Now rumours about JK being called Domestos? I have never know smoke without fire: Not to mention the rumour that Carr was said to be reviewing his position.
Now, answering these questions in your head, read my first posting. Assuming, I am not some 40 year old Walter Mitty, and I am who I claim to be be (I also have Twitter and Facebook accounts under the name if you wish to validate me) I think the evidence supports my theory quite well.

The said truth is we have a press that neither represents our concerns or tells us the real stories regarding our football club. There has been friction between Carr and Pardew: The sad fact is such disagreement is reflected in team selection. The dressing room is divided (see above attachments). Llambias did drop the ball a number of times which resulted in him 'resigning'. Ashley has the hump. We, the paying fans deserve better.
HTL and as always, best wishes,

 

Sorry. I double posted.

 

No worries fella.
Again some good points.
I've said for some time that the local press are too **** scared to tell some of the truth.

 

One small thing hillier73 , it's HTL, if you keep saying HWTL you'll be mistaken for a Mackem.

And I'm sure you wouldn't want that.

 

Truthfully it is a disgrace. The local press are too frightened of the regime and are not representing those who don't have a vocal voice - the common supporter.
Norma Snockers makes some valid points but I would differentiate pressure from bullying.
I am, funny enough, not totally anti-Ashley. I feel he is a (horrible) medicine which maybe we needed. That painful pill of austerity has been taken.
Now we need transparency and honesty. Two attributes which we are so badly lacking.
If a press release was published which stated the hierarchy needed a football person; Pardew needed support; a DoF was to be appointed and it was implemented in an organised, well communicated way I feel few would argue (even if it was Kinnear).