you obviously dont know about what he was doing before cortese came in then? ive posted it on here enough times to be read. he's not as angelic as you seem to think.
Um that's why I said when Cortese came in, or was Lowe still here when Liebherr brought us? Anyways enough of the past.
Cortese and Markus must have been bothered by the free tickets because they took the stance that even ML paid for his season ticket. I do hope Nicola is okay this morning...he must have had a sleepless night after this furore
That's the first thing that I thought of, you can include Jason Dodd in there as well who's now coaching the youth, and to a lesser extent Jaidi (not a legend as such, but an ex-Saint still). It seems that if you're willing to work hard for Saints and in line with the high ambitions of the club, then you will be accepted.
Embrace the past? Says the man who ditches the Hampshire Rose for an insurance company name. What a complete cock! And it is not just because I got married at The ROSE Bowl...well not much anyway ;-)
Being eclipsed how exactly? He won us the FA Cup and finished 2nd in the league! As for Le Tiss getting slagged off again by many people. A hanger on? He gave his all for this club, and only this club. So what that he says the odd thing that some of us don't agree with, he's a fan just like us and just like some of us we all won't agree with what another fan says. I hear people talk about Cortese being some sort of Southampton FC God. Is this the same man that was going to walk recently unless the owners continued to back him?
And to be fair to the current regime, he is still honoured at the stadium. There is a large framed picture of Lawrie Mcmenemy in the Terry Paine suite holding the FA cup.
A picture?..Whoop-de-do!....Brian Clough and Bobby Robson have got statues...I can appreciate younger fans who never saw Lawrie's teams play don't feel a connection with the man, but to my generation he is revered as the man that put little Southampton amongst the elite, playing a brand of swashbuckling football that was so exciting to watch. Now I don't know about him trying to make personal gain out of the club, all I do know is that him and his teams have provided me with great memories that I will always be grateful for.
As far as I know, there are three statues outside Old Trafford, Sir Matt Busby, Sir Alex Ferguson and The Holy Trinity (Bobby Charlton, Denis Law and George best)... In my opinion Lawrie McMenemy's achievements at least equal Ted Bates' and he fully deserves a statue.
You're missing the point though I was making though. The accusation was that he had been erased from history. In reality it is a fitting and respectful recognition of a great manager and one of our finest moments. To build a statue for a man that walked out on the club twice when we needed his loyalty most would be a quite laughable IMO. Anyway, I think we need to just acknowledge each others views and move on. This thread was, after all, more about Bransgrove.
Worth pointing out that the statue was erected before Cortese/Liebherr arrived, wasn't it? Bearing in mind that Markus didn't even want a stand named him I think that that the current management don't do sentimental.
I think Markus was a private and modest man who didn't need to see a stand named after him. The alternative possibility is that he thought his presence at the club was a temporary thing and didn't warrant it....though I reckon he would have changed his mind about that as he appeared to be having a whale of a time.
Statues should go with achievements. Right now I'm not convinced on a Lawrue statue, but I wouldn't be adverse to it, after all he did win our only major trophy. Where is the line? Le Tiss? Channon? Dodd? Manchester United rightly can stick a statue up; they have people that really did achieve. Fulham went with Michael Jackson, maybe we should think Craig David.
Rod is very close to Le Tiss, very close. Indeed, both Le Tiss and McMenemy of both Vice Presidents of Hampshire. Rod was always going to side him them. But hey ho, it doesn't change my opinion of Rod. He's still a mini hero in my eyes.
Great as Lawrie Mac's achievements were, they have to be put in the context of his predecessor's history. Ted Bates was with Southampton as a player, as manager, and as a director, during which time the club went from the Third Division South to the First Division. When Ted stepped down as manager, he himself appointed Lawrie as his successor, and was fully behind him when the club was relegated in 1974, and sat beside him on the bench at Wembley in 1976. He supported Lawrie through our promotion and helped him almost him pull off the double in 1984. He stayed with Southampton right up until his death, and never walked away. THAT is why there is a statue of him outside St. Mary's, and why there will be no room for anyone else's until someone matches that record.
