1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Rival watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Spurlock, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. seanDCFC

    seanDCFC New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,832
    Likes Received:
    18
    It must be, I just love it how people assume that he spent a fortune at Porto. All of those players were nobodies before they joined Porto and he made them European champs. What a manager.
     
    #12341
  2. CPofL KTBFFH

    CPofL KTBFFH New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2012
    Messages:
    4,765
    Likes Received:
    59
    Easily. I think we need to thank humanbeing for bring ing the topic up so we could see just what a genius Jose was winning the CL with a nett of 500K. I wonder if he'll have the balls to admit it.
     
    #12342
  3. District Line

    District Line Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    13,366
    Likes Received:
    968
    The Inter and Porto teams that he won the CL with were, individually, inferior to their competitors and by a long stretch.
     
    #12343
  4. The Mighty Thor

    The Mighty Thor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    5,683
    Likes Received:
    35
    Billionaires don't reconcile their differences with people very easily,money takes precedent over sentiment. I'm predicting one argument and adios Jose. Jose v AVB will be interesting and I'm willing to bet that AVB lasts longer than Jose.
     
    #12344
  5. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    36,067
    Likes Received:
    14,555
    Whilst I wouldn't argue that Mourinho has a very good managerial record, Porto hardly qualify as a "village team" they have won the Portugese title 25 times, the cup 17 times & actually were European Cup winners in 1987. Hardly the performance of a village team.
     
    #12345
  6. District Line

    District Line Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    13,366
    Likes Received:
    968
    I was on about Lieiria
     
    #12346
  7. seanDCFC

    seanDCFC New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,832
    Likes Received:
    18
    I assume he was talking about Leiria, they are from a small town.
     
    #12347
  8. CPofL KTBFFH

    CPofL KTBFFH New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2012
    Messages:
    4,765
    Likes Received:
    59
    Oooooooops wrong team.

    You and humanbeing are really excelling today.
     
    #12348
  9. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    36,067
    Likes Received:
    14,555
    Sorry mate. My mistake, never heard of them. It sounded like you were referring to Porto.
     
    #12349
  10. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    36,067
    Likes Received:
    14,555
    The only thing you excel at is being a smug little twat!...
     
    #12350

  11. The Mighty Thor

    The Mighty Thor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    5,683
    Likes Received:
    35
  12. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    69,622
    Likes Received:
    30,546
    Craig Burley did the exact same thing with Ipswich, yet I don't hear him being lauded.

    I covered this already - Porto avoided all the tricky draws throughout the entire competition, the only one they faced being Real Madrid who took four points off them in the group stages, and a Manchester United team who were having their worst-ever Premier League season. Monaco had the impressive run to the final, knocking out Real Madrid and Chelsea - and is Deschamps lauded for it?

    More than anyone else in the Portuguese league could afford.

    Porto had several seasons of Champions League cash in the bank, which gave them the means and the funds to cherry pick players from the rest of the Portuguese top flight. Do you honestly think the rest of the Portuguese top flight could casually snap up 2/3 of a playing squad from their domestic rivals?

    As I said, way back when, he had the biggest cheque book available to anyone in the Portuguese league, and he opened it regularly.

    Excelling in pointing out that Mourinho's reputation involves a lot of smoke and a hell of a lot of mirrors. You're just refusing to listen.
     
    #12352
  13. District Line

    District Line Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    13,366
    Likes Received:
    968
    Ipswich spent a shed loads of money whilst Chelsea and the other teams around them had next to none to spend.

    Sporting Lisbon had as much financial muscle as Porto when he was there, and as I said previously Porto's squad cost peanuts in comparison to United and Real Madrid's squad as well as others across Europe.
     
    #12353
  14. seanDCFC

    seanDCFC New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,832
    Likes Received:
    18
    The other big clubs in Portugal can and do exactly that. Benfica and Sporting regularly buy players from domestic rivals. Porto are a brilliantly run club, one of the best around. They buy low sell high. For example when Mourinho was there they sold Jorge Andrade to Deportivo for good money which funded a lot of their buys. Look at their transfer history, most seasons they make a positive return on transfers. Look at the players Mourinho bought, they were bought for very little and sold on for a huge profit. To say that he bought that league could not be more wrong.
     
    #12354
  15. Daveunited

    Daveunited Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    7,820
    Likes Received:
    525

    Wonder how many Glory Hunters Chelsea will have now that Jose has returned, and if you do win the League next year will you still be calling it a "Piss Poor League"
     
    #12355
  16. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    69,622
    Likes Received:
    30,546
    Mourinho buying the majority of the Porto's squad means you can't say he bought the league?

    Nurse! He's out of bed again!
     
    #12356
  17. District Line

    District Line Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    13,366
    Likes Received:
    968
    Probably a fair few. Don't remember calling it a "piss poor league", just massively overrated. Don't think the strength of the league will change much over the course of the year, but if anything, it will get weaker.

    Does the same also apply to Bill Nicholson whose squad cost double more than anyone else in the league at the time? Buying players is all part and parcel of football. It's proven that during spells at Inter, Porto and even Leiria that he had inferior resources compared to his direct competitiors. In fact, you could argue he underachieved at Chelsea (huge resources) and overachieved at Porto/Inter (limited resources).
     
    #12357
  18. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    25,589
    Likes Received:
    27,522
    I haven't suggested Mourinho is a bad manager; I've questioned whether he can conquer the PL when everything isn't in his favour and he can't outspend his nearest rivals.

    It's a fair point. SAF faced this challenge with either Chelsea, City or Real Madrid able to buy up his main transfer targets. He won 5 of the last 7 PL titles with comparatively frugal spending. Can Mourinho?
     
    #12358
  19. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    69,622
    Likes Received:
    30,546
    Inter don't have limited resources - you don't pick up Eto'o, Milito and Sneijder in the same transfer window, as Mourinho did, if you have limited resources. You do that because your club has the means and the funds to do so. Inter have always been ready to splash the cash, right back to the late 90s where they were trying to buy titles from Milan and Juventus. The problem they had then was Milan and Juve weren't implicated in the Calciopoli scandal to get them out of the way (even though Inter were also involved but escaped detection, and were also involved in some pretty dodgy tax schemes at the time Mourinho took over - and, no, I did not just say Mourinho was involved in that, just in case someone takes umbrage)

    As for the Bill Nick comments, that's a lie - Baker, Henry, Blanchflower, Norman, Cliff Jones, Smith and Dyson were all at the club before Bill Nick was manager (most of them several years before) and made up the spine of the first team for the 1960-1 season.
     
    #12359
  20. District Line

    District Line Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    13,366
    Likes Received:
    968
    What cash? There's been no money in Serie A for over half a decade. Sneijder cost peanuts as Perez wanted him out which was known to all and sundry. Eto'o was included in the huge Ibrahimovic deal and Milito was part of a player exchange. The squad was culled dramatically and Inter let go of their top earners like Figo, Crespo and players of that ilk. Wages > Transfer Fees
     
    #12360

Share This Page