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Who is better coach: Moyes v Rafa

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by CFC: Champs £launderx17, May 10, 2013.

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Who is the better coach: Moyes or Rafa?

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  1. CFC: Champs £launderx17

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    Who is the better coach: Moyes or Rafa??

    My view, Rafa better coach, maybe the unproven Moyes is a better manager
     
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  2. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    What's unproven about him?
     
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  3. CFC: Champs £launderx17

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    Champions league
     
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  4. PGFWhite

    PGFWhite Well-Known Member

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    Until Moyes has been given a period of time with the resources that Rafa has had at his disposal then you cannot compare them.
     
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  5. CFC: Champs £launderx17

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    Fair point
     
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  6. Spursguru

    Spursguru Active Member

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    Yes you can. Rafa worked his way into a good team (valencia) and beat other bigger and better teams at the time such as Barca, Madrid, Athletico and Deportivo.
    He also won the Uefa cup.

    Moyes has done sweet FA at Everton other than not get relegated.
     
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  7. smhbcfc

    smhbcfc Well-Known Member

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    Rafa good at winning things with other people's teams (Valencia, Liverpool, Chelsea)
     
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  8. CFC: Champs £launderx17

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    Apart from at inter and chelsea, kind of
     
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  9. Sharpe*

    Sharpe* Senior Member

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    Not even worth debating.

    Rafa every time. Moyes has never won **** all.
     
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  10. CFC: Champs £launderx17

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    Give him a chance maybe. Can you get top 4 without Suarez?
     
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  11. Sharpe*

    Sharpe* Senior Member

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    If we invest yes. I'm not overly bothered tbh. Do not like the way he has tarnished the club. If we can get a lot for him and maybe include a player in part-exchange, i'd certainly look at it.

    As for Moyes. He's decent enough and may well end up winning a lot. He's got every means at his disposal to do so to be fair. It would take some manager not to win at least something at United.

    Here is a comparison:

    Rafa
    Real Madrid U-19s Spain U-19 League (1): 1992–93
    Spain U-19 Cup (2): 1990–91, 1992–93
    Extremadura Segunda División promotion (1): 1997–98
    Tenerife Segunda División promotion (1): 2000–01
    Valencia La Liga (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
    UEFA Cup (1): 2003–04
    Liverpool FA Cup (1): 2005–06
    FA Community Shield (1): 2006
    UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
    UEFA Super Cup (1): 2005
    Internazionale Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2010
    FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2010
    Chelsea UEFA Europa League (1): 2012–13

    Runner up in quite a few too.

    Individual awards
    Don Balón Award (1): 2002
    UEFA Manager of the Year (2): 2003–04, 2004–05
    Premier League Manager of the Month (6): November 2005, December 2005, January 2007, October 2008, March 2009, April 2013

    Moyes

    Manager
    Preston North EndFootball League Second Division (1): 1999–2000

    Individual [edit]
    LMA Manager of the Year (3): 2002–03, 2004–05, 2008–09
    Premier League Manager of the Month (10): November 2002, September 2005, January 2006, February 2008, February 2009, January 2010, March 2010, October 2010, September 2012, March 2013

    Speaks volumes.
     
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  12. Drogs

    Drogs Well-Known Member

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    Rafa head and shoulders at the moment. Not even a pop at Moyes or me saying he's a poor manager, Just have to look at their respective honours as posted by bow.
     
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  13. CPofL KTBFFH

    CPofL KTBFFH New Member

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    Moyes hasn't even been a good Everton manager. Average position of 8th, there all time average 7th. Moyes worse than average <doh>
     
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  14. smhbcfc

    smhbcfc Well-Known Member

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    I agree that Rafa has had far more success - I think actually they are both good managers - it will be interesting to see how Moyes spends money
     
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  15. CFC: Champs £launderx17

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    Seems like Rafa is the winner
     
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  16. Murdoc

    Murdoc Well-Known Member

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    What a ridiculously pointless poll. It's clearly going to be Rafa considering he's the one with the honours at the moment. No brainer.

    You can't compare them, purely because Moyes has been at Everton for the last 11 years, where Champions League and the higher honours, realistically were out of his reach.
     
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  17. CFC: Champs £launderx17

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    Another Rafa man, Rafa for United
     
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  18. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    Sir David is the best

    Why, because he is the chosen one.
     
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  19. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Moyes is miles better.

    Rafa is a massive pile of **** in manager terms.

    He took the best Liverpool squad in 20 years nowhere, won the worst La Liga title in history, attempted to single handedly turn treble winning Inter Milan into a laughing stock and had zero pressure at Chelsea as he knew it was only temporary.

    He works best when their is no pressure.

    La Liga - Madrid and Barcelona were poor, Madrid soley focussed on Europe and Barcelona.... well. Deportivo La Caruna were one of his major threats.

    Liverpool - There was no pressure in the second half of that game in Istanbul, none at all. No pressure means rafa succeeds.

    Inter Milan - Utterly shocking.

    Chelsea - Knew he was gone in 6 months, barely scraped top 4 and won a Europa League trophy. again no pressure results in success.

    Any time hes been under pressure he has crumbled.
     
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  20. Sharpe*

    Sharpe* Senior Member

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    Uir talking bollocks again. Look at what they have both won. But now he's at united moves is better. Bollocks mate.
     
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