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Official Grand Prix de Monaco Chat

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by El_Bando, May 24, 2011.

  1. genjigonzales

    genjigonzales Active Member

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    The point is to ensure that the FIA stewards are not seen to be punishing Hamilton for what he said or for what else he did in the race, but solely for his actions in that incident.
     
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  2. TheModestMatt

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    Considering what happened in the race 6th is a great result for Lewis, the race was entertaining (which everyone seems to forget), Vettel drove great under pressure again, McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari seem very close in pace so should be a cracker in Canada. Thats how im leaving it.
     
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  3. genjigonzales

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    Monaco is unique. You can only compare what happened today to other Monaco GPs.
     
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  4. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member
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    Interestingly, top 4 drivers out of St Devote on lap 1 were the top 4 at the end of the race. Given just that statistic you'd have thought it was a dull race!
     
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  5. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    It turns out Renault (Who were tooted at having a good chance this weekend) performed badly because of the bumpy roads that disrupted the front exhaust and downforce =/
     
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  6. Nick HCAFC

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    Enjoyed the GP very much today, would have been interesting to see how it would have played out had the three at the end gone to the finish. Vettel makes the most of his luck for sure but he still drove a great race. I'm not going to get involved in the Hamilton debates I see on here today, for me it would be a much poorer F1 if he wasn't racing in the series, it's a shame there is so much tribalism with F1 fans sometimes.
     
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  7. cosicave

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    I do not agree with this Matt. Not the slightest bit! :)

    In my view, Button's drive was outstanding. He made very good use of his tyres and stretched out a very convincing lead over Vettel, who in my view has by far the better car. Also in my view, he did the right thing when he rapidly caught Alonso and Vettel, both of whom had a very good chance of an incident, had the race not been interrupted. Waiting for Vettel's tyres to go 'off the cliff' (if not saved by the Safety Car) was the right thing to maximise his chance of a successful overtake, and Alonso was obviously in the way too. There was a high chance they might crash and Button did the right thing in order to have a chance to pick up the pieces.

    I teach race psychology, and I tell you that although postponing an attack was less entertaining, it was the right thing to do before the Safety Car came out and extinguished the race for everyone.
     
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  8. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    Ah! at last a reasoned comment from Cosicave. Button drove a terrific race, Vettel was really lucky to be able to stay on the racing line and deny the rightful win to either Alonso or Button. Hamilton was silly and headstrong showing a fit of pique which does him no credit. Considering the difficulty in overtaking it was an enjoyable race, except for some concern about drivers in crashes, of course.
     
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  9. GUEST

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    i thought button should have done better.starting 2nd and finishing 3rd isnt great.he drove well yes,but still should have done better.
    alonso did a brilliant job as did vettel.to stay out as long as he did on those tyres was amazing.
    lewis did well to finish in 6th considering he started 9th and had a drive through.ive looked at all the seperate incidents lewis was involved in,and the 2 he was punished for where the ones he should have been punished for.the other 2 were not his fault,they were just racing incidents.
     
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  10. Max Whiplash

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    I'd like to make a special mention to the much-maligned Maldonado. First in Spain and then Monaco, in just one week he has turned his reputation around: even Brundle, who dismissed him before the season had even begun, has done a u-turn. Now, for me, he's looking at least as exciting a prospect as Perez and DiResta; I'm very much looking forward to seeing what he can do in Canada: some points at last?

    All I am saying is give Pas a chance!
     
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  11. genjigonzales

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    Pirelli want the rules amended in relation to red flag tyre changes, Autospout reports. As I said during the race, in my opinion a restart was pointless if new tyres were fitted but, on reflection, I also think no other changes to the cars should be allowed while they are sat on the grid (unless race control rules that the conditions demand full wet tyres). Effectively, they should be temporarily subjected to parc fermé conditions if that's workable.
     
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  12. Masanari

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    It is a bit facile of people saying Button did not do well because he started 2nd and finished 3rd, or maybe they did not watch the race and just saw he started 2nd and finished 3rd.
     
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  13. genjigonzales

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    The statistics will show that but won't record Button's scintillating driving or even the two safety cars. That's why statistics, facts and figures, only tell a small part of the story.

    Button was the most exciting part of the race yesterday.
     
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  14. BrightLampShade

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    Well, I watched the gp in a very strange location in no internet land so I've missed all the fun on here this weekend.
     
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    Well you would have had your work cut out. Many threads have been ruined by users not getting the facts.
     
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  16. genjigonzales

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    There are no facts. There is only opinion. :)
     
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  17. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

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    Now this would have been common sense would it have not?
    It was basically relegated to a procession from there on in
     
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  18. genjigonzales

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    It would have made sense in the context of yesterday's race. If you go back to the days of refuelling, when tyre strategy had minimal effect on race outcomes, it wouldn't have mattered much, if at all.

    It's a system failure on the part of the FIA, IMO. Any change to a regulation should (and no doubt does) dictate a review of all other regulations to determine its impact on them and whether they need to be amended. With the tyre situation not being a regulation change, it looks like the impact of Pirelli tyres on the regulations hasn't been considered.

    I was surprised during the Australian GP weekend to learn that the rules about the top ten having to start on qualifying tyres and all drivers having to use both compounds had not been removed given the Pirelli effect. Those rules were brought in to try to create uncertainty in the race following the refuelling ban. This is a similar situation in that the rules are still geared towards Bridgestone longevity and take no account of the intended effects on strategy of the Pirellis.

    F1 doesn't need those rules anymore (or, at least, at the moment). The Pirellis should help to reduce the number of regulations introduced to create some kind of artificial excitement.

    Obviously, it's easy for us to sit here and say 'they should have done this' or 'they should have done that', but I'm surprised that a complete review of the regulations appears not to be undertaken in response to any change in how F1 operates, not just regulation amendments.
     
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  19. Delete Me

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    Bloody hell what a ****storm it was yesterday.......

    I know I didn't help much but WOW! that was more tense than China lol...
     
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  20. Prime Minister Cameron

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    Make a canada one now....
     
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